Hail, Holy Queen Prayer - difficulty as new Catholic

[MacQ]

In order to deceive others is my guess!

Perhaps…but decidedly curious, as she’s obviously been ‘evangelized’ decidedly away from Catholicism.

 

[Church_Militant]

I’m no longer a catholic, because i feel the same as you said, they put her above Christ, when I started reading the bible, and God opened my eyes to the truth, I left the Catholic Church.

Then you were grossly deceived my friend. I spent over 30 years outside the church (See My Testimony) and thought as you do for a while, but it was in sitting down with my Bible and the teachings of the Church that I realized the deception by people who embrace the error of Sola Scriptura, because It’s NOT in the Bible, okay?

It is against everything the bible teaches, the bible says we are not to pray to anyone but the father, the only way tot the father is through Jesus Christ!

No…it’s not. You have been deceived by people who don’t know what they are talking about though they carry a Bible and put themselves forward as if they do. This is why St. James plainly tells us in chapter 3:1 of his letter. "Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness."

If they’d known what they were talking about, then they’d have known that Mary is the Queen Mother of the Messiah (Giberah in Hebrew) a position that began in Israel under Solomon. The queens were never the wives of the king, they were always his mother and, since Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and, as Messiah, a king over Israel, then Mary holds that position, which was one of intercession for the needy with the king. If they had known what they were talking about, they would have easily seen her fulfilling this role beginning in John 2 at the wedding feast in Cana, where she did exactly that for the couple and where (significantly!) she also facilitated the beginning of our Lord’s public ministry before he had planned it.

where in the bible, does it say she deserves our prays, she was Jesus mother, she was still a sinner, and human,Even Jesus said who is my mother, who is my brother, he was saying no one person is special to him, please read your bible for yourself

Where does the New Testament even infer that Mary sinned? What you fail to read in Luke 1:26-56 where we see just what Mary is all about. Who else in all of history ever had a more personal relationship with our lord Jesus Christ?

No one, not even the Blessed Virgin ever said she did not need a savior, but her salvation was different from our own, in that even as the ark of the 1st covenant had to be pure, so also the ark of the 2nd covenant also had to be pure, and no one but God could have done that.

So according to you and your BSF buddies, Jesus said no one was special to Him? That flies directly in the face of Our Lord’s own words from the cross just before He died. See for yourself. "[26] When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” [27] Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home." Why would He have done such a thing with almost his last breath if she was not far more special that you and your Biblical deceivers think she is.

I think you need to ditch your BSF proselytizers and follow the advice you just tried to give us and “please read your bible for yourself”. I did and that’s one of the biggest reasons that I returned to the Catholic faith.

 

[friardchips]

Who am I to judge you ask? Well dang me, fried one…I can’t find anywhere that I even implied I was.

In fact, re-reading this conversation… lo! All I laid out what the Church has taught us about how WE should go about things.
And lo! All that “fear”, “control”, “judging” and “measuring” stuff came from… you!

I would much prefer that you take things I posted at face value (or at least ask for clarification), instead of making such leaps and accusations.

I do not disagree with any of your sermonizing on the subject, although it was unnecessary (due to the leaps and assumptions you made) and not a little condescending.

I think we will both be dizzy from going around and around in circles if we continue any longer. I feel your words expressed clearly the angle you were coming from the start and you feel I jumped on you undeservedly. Nothing is really achieved if we don’t do things in good spirit so it might be best to discontinue our dialogue; however, if we do end up talking again then I will certainly ask you to clarify first before objecting to your posts. Not sure about the ‘sermonizing’ quip but again I will make sure I question you thoroughly to make sure that I might understand if I am understanding you correctly and that you might understand what you have written correctly. So until next time, thanks for responding to my replies!

 

[friardchips]

Or maybe, sandy3333 - (and I am only asking this so I can understand better) - you are listing yourself as a Catholic because you feel somewhere in your heart that you are still a Catholic and this is tickling away in there annoyingly and you just can’t scratch that tickle so it goes away completely?

Church Militant’s post seems to be good advice from someone that has experienced what you might be experiencing. Although you did say you read the Bible then turned away from Catholicism.

 

[agnes_therese]

Why do you list yourself as Catholic then? Just curious.

She was asked that on another thread, too. I guess it’s pretty clear she doesn’t care to answer.

 

[Miriam1947]

She was asked that on another thread, too. I guess it’s pretty clear she doesn’t care to answer.

She may have been a troll since she has been banned. 33 posts total.

 

[MacQ]

Quote:
Originally Posted by agnes therese
"She was asked that on another thread, too. I guess it’s pretty clear she doesn’t care to answer. "
She may have been a troll since she has been banned. 33 posts total.

Seems to explain it. What’s up with people…they seem to have a lot of time on their hands and use it rather oddly.

 

[Telstar]

This was during the 70’s, basically that entire decade when I was attending school/Mass in that parish. It was done every year, and I was extremely troubled and confused by this part of the ceremony.

My mother has always had a statue of the Virgin, and we picked and brought flowers from the field or garden for her. She held a spot in the kitchen where we all passed her many times a day, a true member of the family.

I never even considered there could be anything questionable about devotion to the Blessed Virgin until I began to attend those May Crownings.

That’s kind of what I figured the time frame was, because it reminded me of some of the stuff that I saw happening in some of the local churches, back then. Too many people were going way overboard when it came to making ‘changes’ that they thought would bring more people into the Church, but instead, it actually drove a lot of people away from it.

Sadly, I was one of those that left the Church for a few years in the late 60s/early 70s because I was very confused and disheartened by the whole thing. I think the last straw for me was when all the local churches starting ripping out the beautiful old Altars and communion rails, supposedly to make it seem like the people and God were on more ‘equal ground’. So, we were no longer obliged to kneel down in reverence of God, to receive Holy Communion.

In my opinion, that was a huge mistake because it clouded the understanding of some people, that God really is very far above all of us. Without having a real sense of reverence toward God, He became ‘just another regular guy’ in the minds of many. While it’s not a bad thing to think about how Jesus became a human being like the rest of us, we should still never forget that He has always been God, too. So, He deserves to be treated with all due respect because of that fact. There is nothing demeaning in our kneeling down before God. After all, He created us, and we would cease to exist if He didn’t take care of us, every day. We owe Him our complete devotion and respect for Who He is, and for all He’s done for us.

Sorry about going off on a tangent like that. But, thinking about this kind of thing reminds me of some of the stuff that bothered me in the past, especially since I can clearly see the repercussions of them happening, now. So, it’s kind of a pet peeve of mine, I guess.

 

[Telstar]

You are correct that some Catholics go overboard…overstep.
This was actually addressed at Vatican II (and before that by Pope Pius XII), so it was obviously an issue.
The Council advised us to “abstain zealously both from all gross exaggerations as well as from petty narrow-mindedness in considering the singular dignity of the Mother of God”.
To be neither too timid, not too zealous.

Everything about Mary should point to her Son.

I completely agree that there are some people that do tend to push the limits of prudence in regards to their devotions to Mary and other Saints. I’ve seen this among friends and relatives that, though they mean well, they don’t realize that sometimes they seem to walk that fine line between deep devotion and idolatry. For the most part, their intentions really are good, but it can look questionable when seen by those outside, and even some inside, the Church. The post written by schaeffer, above, is a good example of how some devotions can seem to cross that fine line a bit too far.

This sounds to much like faith with fear. Every Catholic in his or her heart knows that God is our ultimate end.

I have to somewhat disagree. I don’t think it has anything to do with anyone promoting any ‘fear’ of showing devotion to any Saint. It’s more about our need for making sure that our devotions are appropriate, and not offensive to God. While most of us are well aware that God is our ultimate goal, sometimes we still might tend to loose sight of that goal if we spend all of our time with other devotions, and end up neglecting our devotion to God in the process.

You don’t have to try so hard to control your faith. Put faith in God’s hands. If your devotion is leading you to really really love your Mother then that is because God thought it wise first. Great stuff! Your are a fortunate soul!

Hence, why Jesus gave us His mother on the Cross. Because He was generous and saw how she had been there for Him along the way of the cross that she might be there for us too.

If you start trying to control the amount of love you have you are not putting faith in God’s hands. Love your Holy Mother with all your heart. If this turns into worship, which it won’t because you are a Catholic, then Our Lady would soon point you in the right direction. Love, love and love. Not fear. Not control. Just love in abundance.

I certainly don’t think ‘MacQ, or’ ‘Retro’, has implied in any way that we shouldn’t love Mary. I think you might have taken what they said a bit too far out of context and misinterpreted their meanings. They were merely pointing out the fact that some people do tend to push over the line between a devotion to Mary or any other Saint, and idolatry, either by a little or a lot. It really does happen. So, we do have to show a little restraint in our devotions, and perhaps consult with a Priest if we’re not sure if what we’re doing might be going a bit too far. I think it’s much better to err on the side of caution and be safe, than to run headlong and fall off a cliff.

 

[MacQ]

I completely agree that there are some people that do tend to push the limits of prudence in regards to their devotions to Mary and other Saints. I’ve seen this among friends and relatives that, though they mean well, they don’t realize that sometimes they seem to walk that fine line between deep devotion and idolatry. For the most part, their intentions really are good, but it can look questionable when seen by those outside, and even some inside, the Church. The post written by schaeffer, above, is a good example of how some devotions can seem to cross that fine line a bit too far.

I have to somewhat disagree. I don’t think it has anything to do with anyone promoting any ‘fear’ of showing devotion to any Saint. It’s more about our need for making sure that our devotions are appropriate, and not offensive to God. While most of us are well aware that God is our ultimate goal, sometimes we still might tend to loose sight of that goal if we spend all of our time with other devotions, and end up neglecting our devotion to God in the process.

I certainly don’t think ‘MacQ, or’ ‘Retro’, has implied in any way that we shouldn’t love Mary. I think you might have taken what they said a bit too far out of context and misinterpreted their meanings. They were merely pointing out the fact that some people do tend to push over the line between a devotion to Mary or any other Saint, and idolatry, either by a little or a lot. It really does happen. So, we do have to show a little restraint in our devotions, and perhaps consult with a Priest if we’re not sure if what we’re doing might be going a bit too far. I think it’s much better to err on the side of caution and be safe, than to run headlong and fall off a cliff.

THANK YOU!
For what it’s worth, I’m about as Marian as a catholic can get…I don’t feel the need to restrain or control that at all…it’s not a matter of how MUCH to love her…but rather a matter of, as you say, making sure it is appropriately aimed.

 

[friardchips]

So, we do have to show a little restraint in our devotions, and perhaps consult with a Priest if we’re not sure if what we’re doing might be going a bit too far. I think it’s much better to err on the side of caution and be safe, than to run headlong and fall off a cliff.

Hi Telstar! It’s funny because I thought to myself after reading your previous post; " I’m not getting involved this time - no more posts for me!" And then you responded to some of mine so here we are …

This thread is quite long and covered a lot. I like the way you put so much effort and feeling into your posts. You seemingly care large amounts. Some I agreed with and some not. The problem with writing is that one can’t express fully every thing in posts.

The gist (if that’s how it’s spelt?) really - the nuance in understanding that for me is a grand canyon - is what I consider to be ‘holding back’. I’m a sinner not a Saint so I can’t bridge that gap on a blog. In no way am I saying that people don’t love at all, I am just saying that we don’t need to do the measuring ourselves. The disagreements in the posts in this whole thread speak for themselves so I don’t want to echo those again really. However, I’ll give a very short example of what I mean, generally, in response to your recent posts seeing as you acknowledged mine: if you have a loved one - a mum, a daughter, or sister, or friend, or spouse, or whoever then you don’t hold back on your love because you don’t need to. You are not scared if you will love them too much in the wrong way or will worship them because you have it down right and proper in your heart. You know where you are with each person. Well the same goes for Mary. If you want to have a measure let the Bible be the measure. Jesus is pretty hard to top on that one. Priests are a good start, as you said, to ask. God bless.

 

[friardchips]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=906418

Telstar, I just added this URL of a forum discussion going on. Someone has posted a URL on the page - a link to the Catechism. Also the Vatican website as well as priests are a good place to start to get a few professional opinions.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

I have seen different variations of this prayer, but at first I thought the words, “Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope” was referring to Jesus who is “our life, our sweetness and our hope”; but in other versions of this prayer, it is clearly referring to Mary. Can someone please help me to understand this better as to how we refer to Mother Mary as our life, our sweetness and our hope?

Also, the part that troubles me most is where she is referred to as our “most gracious Advocate”. Is this “most” to be understood as “very” gracious? It troubles me because it seems to hold her as being a more gracious advocate than that which Jesus Christ is for us.

I do love Our Mother, and I want to get rid of these doubts and fears that still plague me from being raised in a very anti-Catholic, Protestant background.

Thank you!

“Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope” was referring to Jesus who is “our life, our sweetness and our hope”; Is how I have always seen it as well however I am learning about the Catholic faith and I was raised anit- catholic protestant as well.

Mother of Mercy… calling Jesus mercy life sweetness and our hope.
Mary was the mother of Jesus/Mercy
Because she accepted the role of bringing mercy life sweetness and our hope into the world… she is the mother of all of that.

That is how I have always seen that prayer…
Someone correct me if I am wrong

 

[friardchips]

“Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope” was referring to Jesus who is “our life, our sweetness and our hope”; Is how I have always seen it as well however I am learning about the Catholic faith and I was raised anit- catholic protestant as well.

Mother of Mercy… calling Jesus mercy life sweetness and our hope.
Mary was the mother of Jesus/Mercy
Because she accepted the role of bringing mercy life sweetness and our hope into the world… she is the mother of all of that.

That is how I have always seen that prayer…
Someone correct me if I am wrong

It must be exciting to be a Catholic now! Understanding takes time so I think patience with ourselves is a biggy. I wish you the best as a Catholic (Universal) Christian.

The *Salve Regina * used to go in the second line: 'Hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To thee do we cry…" This prayer of petition below explains why Roman Catholics pray its meaning how it was intended to be written yet remain unfazed. This petition prayer echoes parts of the Hail Holy Queen and the Hail Mary:

A Petition to Mary (by St. Alphonsus Liguori):

‘Most holy Virgin Immaculate, my Mother Mary, to thee who art the Mother of my Lord, the queen of the universe, the advocate, the hope, the refuge of sinners, I who am the most miserable of all sinners, have recourse this day. I venerate thee, great queen, and I thank thee for the many graces thou has bestowed upon me even unto this day; in particular for having delivered me from the hell which I have so often deserved by my sins. I love thee, most dear Lady; and for the love I bear thee, I promise to serve thee willingly forever and to do what I can to make thee loved by others also. I place in thee all my hopes for salvation; accept me as thy servant and shelter me under thy mantle, thou who art the Mother of mercy. And since thou art so powerful with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the strength to overcome them until death. From thee I implore a true love for Jesus Christ. Through thee I hope to die a holy death. My dear Mother, by the love thou bearest to Almighty God, I pray thee to assist me always, but most of all at the last moment of my life. Forsake me not then, until thou shalt see me safe in heaven, there to bless thee and sing of thy mercies through all eternity. Such is my hope. Amen.’

 

[Telstar]

THANK YOU!
For what it’s worth, I’m about as Marian as a catholic can get…I don’t feel the need to restrain or control that at all…it’s not a matter of how MUCH to love her…but rather a matter of, as you say, making sure it is appropriately aimed.

You’re welcome.

I understood what you meant because I’ve had personal experience with some people that did tend to get carried away with their devotions. Not so much because of the devotions, themselves, but because their responsibilities to their family were being neglected in the process. For a while, when I was younger, I also struggled with this kind of thing. It is good to practice spiritual devotions, but when you shirk your other duties to do so many of them, every day, then it’s no longer acceptable.

Those are the kinds of things that also reflect badly on the devotions, themselves. Some people on the ‘outside’ of the family thought that their practicing of the devotions was bad, but it was just that the person was doing way too many of them. So, we really do have to learn how to balance our spiritual practices with our temporal duties. This is a little different circumstance than practicing some of the more extreme devotions (like those that have themselves nailed to a cross during Holy Week), but it is one way that some people do tend to go ‘too far’ in practicing their devotions.

I’m a Mary lover, for sure. Personally, I don’t think we can ever love her too much. But, we do need to remember the limits that our station in life demands, when it comes to how much time we can spend in practicing our favorite devotions. It goes back to that old saying, “everything is good in moderation”. So, while we do have to set some limits on our devotions, there are no limits at all on how much we love Mary or the other Saints, because they always keep us focused on following God, as they did.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

It must be exciting to be a Catholic now! Understanding takes time so I think patience with ourselves is a biggy. I wish you the best as a Catholic (Universal) Christian.

The *Salve Regina * used to go in the second line: 'Hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To thee do we cry…" This prayer of petition below explains why Roman Catholics pray its meaning how it was intended to be written yet remain unfazed. This petition prayer echoes parts of the Hail Holy Queen and the Hail Mary:

A Petition to Mary (by St. Alphonsus Liguori):

‘Most holy Virgin Immaculate, my Mother Mary, to thee who art the Mother of my Lord, the queen of the universe, the advocate, the hope, the refuge of sinners, I who am the most miserable of all sinners, have recourse this day. I venerate thee, great queen, and I thank thee for the many graces thou has bestowed upon me even unto this day; in particular for having delivered me from the hell which I have so often deserved by my sins. I love thee, most dear Lady; and for the love I bear thee, I promise to serve thee willingly forever and to do what I can to make thee loved by others also. I place in thee all my hopes for salvation; accept me as thy servant and shelter me under thy mantle, thou who art the Mother of mercy. And since thou art so powerful with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the strength to overcome them until death. From thee I implore a true love for Jesus Christ. Through thee I hope to die a holy death. My dear Mother, by the love thou bearest to Almighty God, I pray thee to assist me always, but most of all at the last moment of my life. Forsake me not then, until thou shalt see me safe in heaven, there to bless thee and sing of thy mercies through all eternity. Such is my hope. Amen.’

hmm am I missing some here?
in the petition… some of those lines appear to be close to the line of worship. (i know catholics hear this so often… no offense meant in my comments)
Yes I understand the devotions and respect of our mother…

in particular for having delivered me from the hell which I have so often deserved by my sins.

for clarity of all this ‘close to worship or not stuff’ would this be referring to her bringing Jesus? or something else i have not read? or something like a friend helping you by ‘delivering you from hell’ by bringing you to Christ and leading you to a relationship with Him and encouraging and teach you along the way?

I do see there is credit to God and Jesus in the prayer for her works and mercies.

 

[Telstar]

Hi Telstar! It’s funny because I thought to myself after reading your previous post; " I’m not getting involved this time - no more posts for me!" And then you responded to some of mine so here we are …

Hi, friardchips!

This thread is quite long and covered a lot. I like the way you put so much effort and feeling into your posts. You seemingly care large amounts. Some I agreed with and some not. The problem with writing is that one can’t express fully every thing in posts.

Thanks. I do like to think (and pray) about what I want say, to try and make sure I don’t say anything really stupid, but, sometimes I still tend to have hoof-in-mouth disease, anyway.

The gist (if that’s how it’s spelt?) really - the nuance in understanding that for me is a grand canyon - is what I consider to be ‘holding back’. I’m a sinner not a Saint so I can’t bridge that gap on a blog. In no way am I saying that people don’t love at all, I am just saying that we don’t need to do the measuring ourselves. The disagreements in the posts in this whole thread speak for themselves so I don’t want to echo those again really. However, I’ll give a very short example of what I mean, generally, in response to your recent posts seeing as you acknowledged mine: if you have a loved one - a mum, a daughter, or sister, or friend, or spouse, or whoever then you don’t hold back on your love because you don’t need to. You are not scared if you will love them too much in the wrong way or will worship them because you have it down right and proper in your heart. You know where you are with each person. Well the same goes for Mary. If you want to have a measure let the Bible be the measure. Jesus is pretty hard to top on that one. Priests are a good start, as you said, to ask. God bless.

Again, I really don’t think there’s anyone (Catholic), here, saying that we should put any limits on our love for Mary. I think something that might be causing confusion is their use of the term ‘devotion’. When most Catholics use that term, it usually refers to certain practices that people perform as a spiritual exercise, such as saying the Rosary or the Litany of the Hours, or saying certain prayers like a novena, etc… Those are spiritual ‘devotions’. It’s not the same as someone having a devotion to another person, like when they deeply love them. They’re two completely different uses of the same word. One describes a spiritual exercise, and the other refers to a strong emotional attachment. Are you sure you aren’t confusing some people’s use of that term, for the other definition? I think that might be a very distinct possibility, in reading your responses to them.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=906418
Telstar, I just added this URL of a forum discussion going on. Someone has posted a URL on the page - a link to the Catechism. Also the Vatican website as well as priests are a good place to start to get a few professional opinions.

I have absolutely no problem with any of the Marian doctrines or dogmas. I do appreciate the thought and the link, though.

 

[Telstar]

hmm am I missing some here?
in the petition… some of those lines appear to be close to the line of worship. (i know catholics hear this so often… no offense meant in my comments)
Yes I understand the devotions and respect of our mother…

in particular for having delivered me from the hell which I have so often deserved by my sins.

for clarity of all this ‘close to worship or not stuff’ would this be referring to her bringing Jesus? or something else i have not read? or something like a friend helping you by ‘delivering you from hell’ by bringing you to Christ and leading you to a relationship with Him and encouraging and teach you along the way?

I do see there is credit to God and Jesus in the prayer for her works and mercies.

That’s exactly the point. Mary always leads us directly to Jesus. She ‘gave’ Jesus to the world, by giving Him human life. Then, on the cross, Jesus gave His Mother to the world when He said, “Son, behold thy Mother.”. Now, she gives the world to Jesus, so He can give us all eternal life. It’s a beautifully logical progression that the one who brought Jesus into the world, would return that special favor by leading the world back to Him. Don’t you think?

 

[friardchips]

Hi, friardchips!

Thanks. I do like to think (and pray) about what I want say, to try and make sure I don’t say anything really stupid, but, sometimes I still tend to have hoof-in-mouth disease, anyway.

Hi Telstar!

I get that disease too!

Again, I really don’t think there’s anyone (Catholic), here, saying that we should put any limits on our love for Mary. I think something that might be causing confusion is their use of the term ‘devotion’. When most Catholics use that term, it usually refers to certain practices that people perform as a spiritual exercise, such as saying the Rosary or the Litany of the Hours, or saying certain prayers like a novena, etc… Those are spiritual ‘devotions’. It’s not the same as someone having a devotion to another person, like when they deeply love them. They’re two completely different uses of the same word. One describes a spiritual exercise, and the other refers to a strong emotional attachment. Are you sure you aren’t confusing some people’s use of that term, for the other definition? I think that might be a very distinct possibility, in reading your responses to them.

Yes and no. You do have a point and the meaning of the word ‘devotion’ may be the key to the confusion. It does mean two things; thanks for clarification. It’s good to make that clear. Devotion, as you said, is a spiritual exercise but can also be regarded as expressing a sincere love for…

Although they are different: a discipline and love expressed, one is actually a means of expressing the other - they are connected. To be Christian is to be active in love. Prayer is also active. So one might in the mind use a ‘devotional practice’ to discipline and align the heart in order to be God-centred; yet, in addition, with regular partaking of the Sacraments, praying, and spiritual reading, the devotional practice - the discipline - roots deeper spiritually into the heart, and transcends, so that the practice becomes a grace-filled expression of sincere love in itself, and another way of expressing our love, of deepening our love for God, and His family - because devotional practices *are made up of or involve *prayers or combinations of prayers. These are God’s ways given to us that allow us to share in the intimate love between God and His people and learn about their relationship with Him and them being for us also, in Him: “Relationship” (a tutor once used this word to describe the Old and New Testaments). The disciplines - devotional practices, with dedication, cease to just be disciplines (at least sometimes anyway) and morph into vehicles, modes of expression, that help us, to quote this same tutor: “to enter into relationship” - with God (because He is pleased when we use intercessors also) and relationship with those we are praying to. Especially Mary, for many reasons, including some essential one’s you stated in your next post -

I have absolutely no problem with any of the Marian doctrines or dogmas. I do appreciate the thought and the link, though.

• and this is why I posted the link, because I am simply trying to encourage further dedication in devotional practices without the need for concern that the words are misaligned taking into account all God has done for Our Lady. If devotional practices are widely in use then we can be rest-assured that it was God who designed them in the first place, for reasons mentioned, through people in the history of the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit - the spouse of Our Lady (for Mary to be Mother, Spouse and Handmaiden of God is an awesome reality - which kind of makes doubting any words in this prayer seem trivial).

I think I just managed to use simple words in a convoluted way again. Oh, well.