Hail Mary after Prayer of the Faithful

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You can’t use the Rubrics alone, but the norms set by the local Bishop, which they have the authority to do, per the Constitution of the Sacred Liturgy

Jim
 
There are no rubrics here to speak of. The “Ave Maria” is perfectly fine to conclude the Bidding Prayers. It’s all well and good to repeat the Father Z mantra about saying the black and doing the red, but the fact is the Novus Ordo Missae permits extremely wide latitude in various places…including here.
 
I only want said what it says will be said in my Missal. Otherwise it is disobedient to the Church and self innovative which is inappropriate.
 
Unfortunately, the very rubrics of the Novus Ordo offer a LOT of latitude on what may be said in the Mass. It is simply not true that one can show up with a Missal and expect to hear only what is printed in the Missal. The very rubrics permit extensive variety in prescribed places.
 
No it’s not disobedient to the Church.

You need to learn about the authority the local Bishops have per Vatican II.

But, hey I’m not going to argue over praying the Hail Mary at Mass.

Jim
 
GIRM 24
the priest must remember that he is the servant of the sacred Liturgy and that he himself is not permitted, on his own initiative, to add, to remove, or to change anything in the celebration of Mass.
 
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Who comes up with the prayers of the faithful anyway? I really do not know. Is it the pastor? Some parish council? I’m really not sure.
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Some Parishes buy a subscription to a service that writes them and sells them.

Others write them themselves.

At my local territorial parish, one deacon (who is retired from the working world) prepares them each week.
 
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And then we get the Prayers of the Faithful which are so lengthy that the Creed isn’t said, because “we don’t have enough time”.
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The creed cannot be skipped …
 
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I’ve never been to a mass where the Hail Mary is used. I think I would like that.

However, I think the most appropriate time would be at the very end of the Homily.

At the Parish I was baptized and confirmed him, the current pastor always ends his homily with a Glory Be that everyone takes part in.

To me, the best place to add liturgical prayers to the mass would be at the beginning and end of the homily. Or right after the mass has ended, but before the closing processional (same place the Leonine Prayers are after a Low Mass in the EF).
 
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Some Parishes buy a subscription to a service that writes them and sells them.
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That’s tragic if true. I mean there’s what, maybe 5-6 prayers including the sick and recently departed, and maybe a couple sentences each? I would be disappointed to find out my collection basket money was going to pay for a prayer subscription service.
 
The Creed should not be skipped. I agree. But it can be skipped, meaning it is physically possible for any given priest to omit saying it (Nicene, Apostles, etc) at Sunday Mass.
 
Prayers for the faithful for profit 😂
 
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It is true.
I have seen them. Many parishes buy lectionary subscriptions that come every couple months that you put in a three ring binder. A lot of priests use them for weekday masses and they have homily suggestions for every day and pronunciation index in the beginning. Not sure of the name of the company, but I believe they also send a supplement for prayers for the faithful suggestions. I know because I lector and the priest hands me the binder and points to the day. It is repetitive, just like I have been saying about the prayer of the faithful for a long time. Not personal at all.
 
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Some Parishes buy a subscription to a service that writes them and sells them.
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That’s tragic if true. I mean there’s what, maybe 5-6 prayers including the sick and recently departed, and maybe a couple sentences each? I would be disappointed to find out my collection basket money was going to pay for a prayer subscription service.
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Well, let think about it from their point of view.

For centuries, everything in the mass (except the homily/sermon) was prescribed.

Now, they have to create prayers for 356 days, without getting too repetitive

I would imagine that many priests who write/wrote their own would keep them and use them every three years - as I’m sure most would tie them to the scriptures as much as possible.

So having such a subscription as a default or safety net isn’t really a bad idea, esp at only $95 per year (from one specific company).

The question though become, does the parish only use what is in the binder from the company or do they use it for help? Neither are not really bad, though you could argue that one is potentially better than the other. But again, neither is a bad thing.

God bless
 
Or just don’t do them???
You only have to on Sunday and Holy Days. We already do these prayers at morning and evening prayer.
 
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The priest is under the authority of his Bishop and must follow the directives given to him, by the Bishop

Jim
 
I already said my parish only does them on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation. Some churches in my diocese do them every day. I don’t think anyone really makes a big deal about them.
 
The Province of England and Wales has special Vatican approval to include the Hail Mary in the bidding prayers - although it’s not compulsory. My parish includes it: some others in our diocese do not. I’ve never known it to be included when I go to Mass in other European countries (not even at St Peter’s). If some parishes in your province include it, you probably also have special Vatican approval to do so.

We address the Universal Prayer to the Father and seek our intentions in the name of Jesus, the Lord. Asking Mary’s intercession is perhaps not necessary, but nor is it something to be avoided.
 
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JimXRoberts wrote “The Province of England and Wales has special Vatican approval to include the Hail Mary in the bidding prayers - although it’s not compulsory.”

I doubt that there is this approval. Where is it documented?

A logical place for it is in the Catholic Truth Society edition of the Roman Missal. It has things like “In the Dioceses of England and Wales, and of Scotland Holy Communion is to be received standing, though individual members of the faithful may choose to receive Communion while kneeling.” (From General Instruction of the Roman Missal, n. 160).

But there is no similar instruction about special Vatican approval to include the Hail Mary in the bidding prayers.

A 2012 blog post discusses looking for such permission and not finding it, at The Muniment Room: The Hail Mary In The Bidding Prayers

A 2012 article at https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2012/05/23/bishop-urges-priests-to-drop-the-hail-mary-from-masses/ quotes Bishop Conry’s 2005 Guidelines for Prayers of the Faithful :

“The Roman Rite does not, in fact, envisage the inclusion of devotional prayers in the Prayer of the Faithful. Following a medieval practice in England, the Hail Mary has been customarily said after the final intercession. Properly understood, a set of prayers directed to the Father, through the Son and in the power of the Holy Spirit, contains no obvious place for prayers to the saints. This is why, some years ago, the Holy See wrote to the Bishops of England and Wales advising that such devotional prayer should not have a place in the Prayer of the Faithful. The Holy See asked that the, by then, widespread practice be gradually and gently discouraged.”
 
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