Hail Mary and "amongst" women

[ncjohn]

I am one of those who uses “amongst” as it is the way I learned it back in Catholic grade school.

If I’m in a group setting, I will follow whatever is the prevailing wording, but my natural tendency is to go back to the way I learned it, which I actually prefer.

I do try to put some kind of inflection into the separation between “womb” and “Jesus” even when in a group setting that is trying to win the speed record. I might finish a split second behind, but I don’t let it bother me.

Hey Barb–don’t let him “cow” you if you prefer “amongst”. There ain’t nothin’ wrong with it!

Peace,

 

[AlanFromWichita]

ncjohn:

I am one of those who uses “amongst” as it is the way I learned it back in Catholic grade school.

If I’m in a group setting, I will follow whatever is the prevailing wording, but my natural tendency is to go back to the way I learned it, which I actually prefer.

I do try to put some kind of inflection into the separation between “womb” and “Jesus” even when in a group setting that is trying to win the speed record. I might finish a split second behind, but I don’t let it bother me.

Hey Barb–don’t let him “cow” you if you prefer “amongst”. There ain’t nothin’ wrong with it!

Peace,

Hmm, first you tell us you are a conformist than that she should not be one? You’ll be right behind her, right? http://bestsmileys.com/thinking/7.gif

Alan

 

[Crumpy]

Timidity:

Not during the Rosary. One should be thinking about the mstery–not the words that they’re saying.

One of the older priests on EWTN a couple years ago made the point that the “Hail Mary” was kind of like a mantra. And, that the words are said almost sub-consciously. I am all too likely to do that. I listen to the rosary on EWTN with the nuns. I tolerate their sing-song cadence and focus on listening to each word as much as I can.

My problem with a Fr. Mitch rosary or any of them is when the people aren’t on the same word, and so the rosary words are not coherent. Or, when they have a rosary that is not in English that I cannot understand.

I am immensely distracted in every word of the rosary.

I like the luminous mysteries, just because I like the Baptism of the Lord so much. I don’t even hear the other luminous mysteries because I’m stuck on the Baptism.

In high school in the mid '60’s I had the nun jumping out of her skin at me. We used to say the rosary in religion class. When it was my turn to say the decade, I used the “the Lord is with you” like we had started to hear at Mass in the new English Mass. If she would have stroked out, it would have been all my fault.

There’s a couple “you” versions of the rosary on EWTN.

I like “amongST”. It’s harder to say. It’s a little brake in that phrase.

“Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus Tecum, benedicta Tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris Tuis, Jesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.”

 

[BarbaraTherese]

ncjohn:

I am one of those who uses “amongst” as it is the way I learned it back in Catholic grade school.

If I’m in a group setting, I will follow whatever is the prevailing wording, but my natural tendency is to go back to the way I learned it, which I actually prefer.

I do try to put some kind of inflection into the separation between “womb” and “Jesus” even when in a group setting that is trying to win the speed record. I might finish a split second behind, but I don’t let it bother me.

Hey Barb–don’t let him “cow” you if you prefer “amongst”. There ain’t nothin’ wrong with it!

Peace,

…now! now! John…dont confuse me, just when I think I’ve got myself sorted out on another score!:banghead:

…it’s bad enough having a mental illness. I dont want or need the ability to prove it, despite the fact that I, I must in humility confess, thanks to the Grace of God received the gift passively…completely without asking for it and in total absence of the desire to aquire it!..

Barb

 

[BarbaraTherese]

I like “amongST”. It’s harder to say. It’s a little brake in that phrase.

Good point!..and hi there Crumpy…I think I’ll follow John in this and wherever the rosary is said in community, I’ll go with the flow…ST for the ST-er’s and ‘among’ for the ‘among-ers’!..mmm that sounds safe to me John …

Barb

 

[furlan1985]

Ignatius:

It is actually a corruption that came from a colloquialism out of the Midwest. The proper English is among.

Not so. “Amongst” is perfectly correct English. It is an alternative to, but indistinguishable in meaning from, “Among”.

 

[BarbaraTherese]

furlan1985:

Not so. “Amongst” is perfectly correct English. It is an alternative to, but indistinguishable in meaning from, “Among”.

While I should know as a point of grammar, I dont…and ‘whatever’ is my response in relation to the Hail Mary as a prayer anyway, and in community prayer would not want anything deliberate to be disturbing to others.
St. Therese in Chapel was terribly disturbed by the rattling of rosary beads at private prayer and while a very minor point, not so to St. Therese since one cannot help at times what attracts the ear and seems to magnify and hence disturbs and distracts one. I may have been in the past a disturbance and distraction in the Rosary to others with my ‘amongST’ and totally unaware of it…hence as I said with ST-ers I’ll ST and with the Among-ers I’ll among … and absoltely not a disturbing matter with me, in fact rather pleased that through this thread it has come to my attention.

Concern for others is a great rule of thumb…and that is not at all to imply that always keeping that rule of thumb is easy…failure is a great lesson in humility…hence also in the reality of who one is…

Barb

 

[Lorrie]

K-McD:

Actually, the only problem I have in saying the “Hail Mary” in group settings is they say it toooooooo fast. Allthewordsareblurredtogether. I was taught saying the “Hail Mary” should be like driving or walking by a beautiful sunset or sunrise. One slows down and takes it all in.

When I pray the rosary in church with the other seasoned ladies, I think I drive them bats because they are done and waiting on the next bead and I’m still at, “…now and at the hour of our death. Amen”

K

This is a pet peeve of mine as well. If one were to watch the Rosary with Mother Angelica (8:30 pm CST) on EWTN it would slow a lot of people down. The way her and the nuns say it is so beautiful, so slow, it really helps you “take in” every word.

I usually go early to our Cathedral before the noon Mass so I can say the rosary that is led by our deacon, I think we say it (all 5 decades) in a matter of 15 min. If I’m saying it on my own it takes about 25 min. - big difference!

 

[BarbaraTherese]

Lorrie:

This is a pet peeve of mine as well. If one were to watch the Rosary with Mother Angelica (8:30 pm CST) on EWTN it would slow a lot of people down. The way her and the nuns say it is so beautiful, so slow, it really helps you “take in” every word.

I usually go early to our Cathedral before the noon Mass so I can say the rosary that is led by our deacon, I think we say it (all 5 decades) in a matter of 15 min. If I’m saying it on my own it takes about 25 min. - big difference!

Hi again Lorrie…we here in Australia find that the Americans talk VERY fast or at least that is how we find them in the main…I have trouble with American movies etc. on TV because they talk so fast at times I cant understand with the accent.
We say the Rosary at times in our parish after Saturday morning Eucharistic Service, five decades and it takes about 15 - 20minutes depending on who is present - it never seems TOO fast to me. If I pray it alone altho I have never actually timed it I think it probably does take somewhat longer than in our parish community. It is a really beautiful prayer in that one can recite it silently or out loud in community and while reciting be pondering the particular mystery. Having experience in a religious community, nuns do tend to pray in community slowly and carefully and very prayerfully, and a delight to the ears! I have never seen Mother Angelica on TV although I access her website…I dont have pay TV connected here.

Barb
PS…it takes an hour from here by bus into the heart of the city and I can pray five decades exactly from here to the city…so on a bus anyway it takes me an hour.

 

[ncjohn]

AlanFromWichita:

Hmm, first you tell us you are a conformist than that she should not be one? You’ll be right behind her, right? http://bestsmileys.com/thinking/7.gif

Alan

Boy, you don’t let anything slip by do you Alan!

Not sure how I missed that little inconsistency. I think maybe I was just advising her not to feel like she needed to give it up altogether if that is her preferred wording.

I’m with Barb in that it’s not so much a matter of “conformity” as it is not being a distraction and being a positive sign of unity. We have enough of a tendency in our human nature to want to “pick” at things without me adding something to the mix.

Thanks for keeping me humble though Alan…God knows I need it as you well know.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

ncjohn:

Thanks for keeping me humble though Alan…God knows I need it as you well know.

No problem. I know you’d return the favor.

Alan

 

[Augustine]

I hear you, Alan.

English is not my first language, so some archaisms are even more foreign to me.

I agree about saying some responses in a single breath, bypassing punctuation and all. Then it sounds stilted and I prefer to mean the words I pray.

Yet, in a group, I just go along with everybody else.

 

[Shoshana]

Hey Alan…I say ‘amongst’ ALL the time! Must be my french!

 

[OhioBob]

Timidity:

Not during the Rosary. One should be thinking about the mstery–not the words that they’re saying.

I guess I’m just not good at multitasking. During the rosary I am either meditating or praying, but I can’t do both at the same time. I can meditate on the mystery at the beginning when it is proclaimed, but when the prayers start, I tend to concentrate on praying (and I like to think about what I am saying when I pray).

Because of this meditative “disability” of mine, I like to use a scriptural rosary (one verse of mystery-appropriate scripture before each Hail Mary), and that gives me a chance to more effectively meditate between each HM throughout the decades. It extends the rosary to about 30 minutes, but what’s the hurry?

If I try to do more than one thing at once, I fall down.

 

[unworthy]

lol Alan, please don’t be irritated when people like myself say “Amongst” and also tend to skip over the comma in “womb, Jesus”. I know that when I say “amongst” it is because I learned it that way and I enjoy saying it that way and that when I say it, I mean what I am saying. Just as you mean what you are saying when you say “among”. It is the way it is apprehended. Similarly, when I may skip the comma and say “womb Jesus” and occasionally I do, one should not judge that I am actually thinking that Mary’s womb is named Jesus just because I say it fast like that. I’ve noticed others who do the same thing and I understand that it may be irritating to some, but I’ve learned to ignore the irritation when I actually start to concentrate on what I’m saying rather than what someone else is saying. It’s mind over matter; people may be deep in prayer and not realize that they are skipping the comma but really are praying.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

unworthy:

lol Alan, please don’t be irritated when people like myself say “Amongst” and also tend to skip over the comma in “womb, Jesus”. I know that when I say “amongst” it is because I learned it that way and I enjoy saying it that way and that when I say it, I mean what I am saying. Just as you mean what you are saying when you say “among”. It is the way it is apprehended. Similarly, when I may skip the comma and say “womb Jesus” and occasionally I do, one should not judge that I am actually thinking that Mary’s womb is named Jesus just because I say it fast like that. I’ve noticed others who do the same thing and I understand that it may be irritating to some, but I’ve learned to ignore the irritation when I actually start to concentrate on what I’m saying rather than what someone else is saying. It’s mind over matter; people may be deep in prayer and not realize that they are skipping the comma but really are praying.

Sometimes I get moody and tend to accentuate, rather than ignore, the irritation. Perhaps I like to act irritated at other people from time to time because if I tried to convey how irritated I get at myself it would not be pretty.

Alan

 

[blessedstar]

It’s not what’s said or how it’s said that matters but what is in the heart when it is said that matters.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

blessedstar:

It’s not what’s said or how it’s said that matters but what is in the heart when it is said that matters.

You are right.

Several times I considered asking CA to remove this thread because it seemed so silly and petty, but I did not because a lot of people ended up finding good out of it.

Alan

 

[Shoshana]

AlanFromWichita:

You are right.

Several times I considered asking CA to remove this thread because it seemed so silly and petty, but I did not because a lot of people ended up finding good out of it.

Alan

There is good here…you, Alan!

 

[blessedstar]

AlanFromWichita:

You are right.

Several times I considered asking CA to remove this thread because it seemed so silly and petty, but I did not because a lot of people ended up finding good out of it.

Alan

Hi Alan
I don’t think your thread should be removed. It’s always good to explore different issues, thoughts and feelings, as I think that this is the way we learn and share faith. Thanks for posting it up and keep posting whatever you feel will help others because this way good will keep happening!