Hail Mary and "amongst" women

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At my school we do a group Hail Mary. My roomae had a laughing attack where he had to leave–two times–because a girl leading one decade couldn’t choose between among and amongst. It was painfully funny. I had to leave the room for a bit too. I hate when I laugh in settings where laughing is not good.
Patrick
 
Hello again Maryi,
Sorry some people have such a poor opinion of Latin grammar. Obviously they have never tried to learn German!!

You may want to use the 'Fatima ’ prayer. I think (correct me if I’m wrong) Our Lady is supposed to have asked for it in her Fatima Apparition. It is often said during the Rosary, after the Gloria.

There are several versions of this prayer; this is the one I use.

Domine Jesu, dimitte nobis debita nostra.
Salva nos ab igne inferiori,
Perduc in caelum omnes animas,
praesertim eas quae misericordia Tuae maxime indigent.

Lord Jesus, forgive us our sins,
Save us from the fires of hell,
lead all souls to Heaven,
especially those most in need of thy mercy.

Some people object that this mentions ALL souls, as though everyone, without exception, WILL go to Heaven, regardless of their state of sin and so forth; after all they say, a loving God wouldn’t send anyone to Hell would He? They are guilty of presumption. Well, my take on it is that Almighty God says, in effect, “to join my club, you obey my rules, which can be tough. But you break them and get yourselves in the most awful pickle, which is worse than if you had played my rules in the first place. I still give you loads of chances to repent. So after all that if you pitch up at the pearly gates with a load of sin still rattling round in your kitbag you mustn’t be surprised if those gates stay firmly shut against you.” Certainly God is Love - yes, tough Love.

To end on a more cheerful note, to those who are sceptical about all this Latin, let me say that I was in St Mary Major in Rome when Cardinal Dario Hoyos celebrated Pontifical High Mass there. Before the Mass he led the congregation, who had come from all over the world, in reciting the Rosary. Of course it was in Latin. The effect of that enormous basilica booming to the sound the Rosary in Latin was one of the most wonderful experiences I can remember as a life-long Catholic. Don’t have any misunderstanding about this - Latin unites Catholics like nothing else. Latin IS unity. So don’t worry about the grammar - remember, ordinary Roman soldiers could manage it, and they probably hadn’t been to high school like us!
God bless from,
MikeT
 
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AlanFromWichita:
I hear you on that! Once in a while I play a wedding or funeral where they hire some wonderful singers to do this piece, and I am honored to accompany on piano or organ. The last time this lady I’d never met had such a wonderful smile while she sang, and she didn’t bother with getting near a microphone. :crying:

Alan
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Hi Alan…good to catch up with you again on CAF…the most moving time I heard the Ave Maria was in College…one of my classmates brother was entering Carmel and we had a special Mass and he sung the Ave Maria and I’d heard that he had a beautiful voice…beautiful? he was incredible! …I was stunned to the core and if ever I have been ecstatic, it was then! I went off to some place I had never been before or again for sure!..and decidedly reluctant to ever visit there again, since I was non compus mentus for quite a while after trying to find earth again!..carried away by this beautiful hymn and his magnificent voice.:crying:

He did enter but left during his noviciate years.
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Cacha round the traps Alan…Barb
Incidentally ‘around the traps’ here in AussieLand does not necessarily mean ‘trap’ literally;) …

For a thread you considered not much use and perhaps you should ask removed Alan…it sure is a great thread!..This I see is post number 63! - a lively thread Alan!
 
Mike T:
Hello Maryi,
Here is the Hail Mary in Latin:
Ave Maria, gratia plena; Dominus tecum:
benedicta Tua in mulieribus et
benedictus fructus ventris Tui, Jesus.
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei,
ora pro nobis peccatoribus,
nunc et in hora mortis. Amen.

Why don’t I type out the Our Father as well?
Pater noster, qui es in caelis,
sanctificetur nomen Tuum.
Adveniat regnum tuum.
Fiat voluntas tua sicut in caelo et in terra.
Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie.
Et dimitte nobis debita nostra,
sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris.
Et ne nos inducas in tentationem:
sed libera nos a malo. Amen.

Here’s the Gloria, too.
Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto,
Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper,
et in saecula saeculorum. Amen.

So now you can say entire decades of the Rosary with the saints and martyrs, in the traditional language of Holy Mother Church.

There’s also the Apostle’s Creed and the Salve Regina (Hail holy Queen) but that’s for later.

Happy prayers,
Mike T
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COOL, so let’s go at some pronunciations if you don’t mind…
Tua- two ah, or twa(long a)
so I know tecum- is techoom
et- short e or long e
mulieribus- no idea!! can you spell it phenetically for me please!
Dei- die, day,dee??
this is fun, thanks for helping everyone. Let me figure this one first but I promise I’ll get to the rest.
 
Mike T:
Hello again Maryi,
Sorry some people have such a poor opinion of Latin grammar. Obviously they have never tried to learn German!!

You may want to use the 'Fatima ’ prayer. I think (correct me if I’m wrong) Our Lady is supposed to have asked for it in her Fatima Apparition. It is often said during the Rosary, after the Gloria.

There are several versions of this prayer; this is the one I use.

Domine Jesu, dimitte nobis debita nostra.
Salva nos ab igne inferiori,
Perduc in caelum omnes animas,
praesertim eas quae misericordia Tuae maxime indigent.

Lord Jesus, forgive us our sins,
Save us from the fires of hell,
lead all souls to Heaven,
especially those most in need of thy mercy.

Some people object that this mentions ALL souls, as though everyone, without exception, WILL go to Heaven, regardless of their state of sin and so forth; after all they say, a loving God wouldn’t send anyone to Hell would He? They are guilty of presumption. Well, my take on it is that Almighty God says, in effect, “to join my club, you obey my rules, which can be tough. But you break them and get yourselves in the most awful pickle, which is worse than if you had played my rules in the first place. I still give you loads of chances to repent. So after all that if you pitch up at the pearly gates with a load of sin still rattling round in your kitbag you mustn’t be surprised if those gates stay firmly shut against you.” Certainly God is Love - yes, tough Love.

To end on a more cheerful note, to those who are sceptical about all this Latin, let me say that I was in St Mary Major in Rome when Cardinal Dario Hoyos celebrated Pontifical High Mass there. Before the Mass he led the congregation, who had come from all over the world, in reciting the Rosary. Of course it was in Latin. The effect of that enormous basilica booming to the sound the Rosary in Latin was one of the most wonderful experiences I can remember as a life-long Catholic. Don’t have any misunderstanding about this - Latin unites Catholics like nothing else. Latin IS unity. So don’t worry about the grammar - remember, ordinary Roman soldiers could manage it, and they probably hadn’t been to high school like us!
God bless from,
MikeT
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Yes Mike I do use that prayer, It is one of my most favorite to pray, I shall deffinately be needing help on the pronunciations of some of the words. I know quite a few but still am having troubles with it. thanks I’ll get back to that one!!!
 
Phonetic Ave Maria

Ave Maria
(Ah’ vay, mahr ee’ ah)

gratia plena
(grahts’ ee ah play’ nah)

Dominus tecum
(doh’ mee noose tay coom)

benedicta tu in mulieribus
(ben ay deek’ tah tooh een moo lee air’ ee boos)

et benedictus fructus ventris tuis Jesus
(et ben ay deek’ tus fruc’ tus ven’ trees too ees Yay zoos)

Sanct Maria Mater Dei
( sahnk’ tah mah ree’ ah maht’ er day’ ee)

ora pro nobis peccatoribus
(oh’ rah pro no’ bees peck ah toh’ ree boos)

nunc et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.
(noonk et een hoh’ rah mor’ tees nohs’ tray. Ah men.)

that looks pretty close to me.
 
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maryj:
so then if someone could help me with pronunciation of latin words, or show me where I could learn ,that would be great! to put it bluntly my latin stinks!!! but in my defense I’m post Vat2 so we never used latin in catholic school, not even during benediction. I would be so very grateful if I could pray the Hail Mary in Latin. Any help!!!
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Hi there MaryJ…just drawing your attention to Crumpy’s phoenetic pronounciation of the Latin, Hail Mary or Ave Maria…Post immediately before this one…just in case you did not notice it. Good luck with praying the Hail Mary in Latin…

Barb:)
Pretty close?..it looked pretty good to me Crumpy, I was going to have try, but knowing my Latin decided best not to confuse MaryJ - but I sure am glad you have given her what looks to this lousy Latin student:D a spot on phoenetic
pronounciation.👍
 
BarbaraTherese said:
😃 a spot on phoenetic
pronounciation.👍
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Yes, and I appreciated it as well. I am not a Latin student, so I need all the help I can get! Thank you all for turning what might have been a silly, useless thread into one that is fascinating.

Alan
 
My pet peeve when praying the rosary in groups is that a number of people say “pray for our sinners” instead of “pray for us sinners.” Has anyone else noticed this?
 
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IPTgrad:
My pet peeve when praying the rosary in groups is that a number of people say “pray for our sinners” instead of “pray for us sinners.” Has anyone else noticed this?
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Actually, yes. I’ve heard it that way but never thought of its meaning until just now. I suppose it is a very “unselfish” prayer, eh? 😛

Alan
 
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Crumpy:
Phonetic Ave Maria

Ave Maria
(Ah’ vay, mahr ee’ ah)

gratia plena
(grahts’ ee ah play’ nah)

Dominus tecum
(doh’ mee noose tay coom)

benedicta tu in mulieribus
(ben ay deek’ tah tooh een moo lee air’ ee boos)

et benedictus fructus ventris tuis Jesus
(et ben ay deek’ tus fruc’ tus ven’ trees too ees Yay zoos)

Sanct Maria Mater Dei
( sahnk’ tah mah ree’ ah maht’ er day’ ee)

ora pro nobis peccatoribus
(oh’ rah pro no’ bees peck ah toh’ ree boos)

nunc et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.
(noonk et een hoh’ rah mor’ tees nohs’ tray. Ah men.)

that looks pretty close to me.
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Thank You Crumpy
(thank u krumpee) Mary
 
“Rejoice at all that is good.”

-St. Peter or St. Paul, I forget

(I can forget who because St. Thomas said something to the effect of remembering all that is good regardless of who said it…hehe, and it’s not a bad piece of advice, thought in a Theology course that might not stand…)

I used to hate that stuff too. But it became clear that these people are praying to Mary, and that is, good, and while we should help our brother’s and sisters to appreciate the faith more, maybe by explaining their problematic public prayer (ppp) to them, it is not so fruitful, and maybe, as the post below said, you can lead by example when you are the prayer leader.

God bless, and please take me very lightly,
Aaron Magnan
 
More presents for Maryj (sorry I got the ‘j’ and ‘i’ mixed up)
Here are some suggestions for your Latin studies which should keep you going until at least Vatican 3 (Heaven help us!)
  1. For pronunciation on a Catholic website try lphrc.org/rmk/cath.html
  2. For much the same sort of thing try latin-mass-society.org/ Click on ‘Resources’.
  3. Finally my favourite. It’s a website about the adventures of a mouse in a Roman household near Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain. It’s inter-active and is designed to teach Latin to children, which is why I find it irresistible - my intellectual level, or will be one day. It will show that Latin really can put a smile on your face.
    minimus-etc.co.uk/
  4. Finally, a fun book on Latin for beginners. It is called ‘Learn Latin’ by Peter Jones. ISBN 0-7156-2757-0 Published by Duckworth of London. It says on the back ‘IN UK ONLY £7.95’ (i.e., about $15) so you might have to fiddle about to get hold of it in the US. Jones is one of those who goes for the Oxford/Cambridge pronunciation, but he doesn’t hammer it. Personally I’m quite happy with Church pronunciation. Peter Jones has a spendidly eccentric sense of humour, so again learning Latin comes with lots of laughs.
    Felicus cognoscus !! (it’s supposed to mean Happy learning)
    MikeT
 
Barb and Mike T, thank you for doing the research for me!! O.K. gotta get started on this, see you in the year 2010!! I’ll let you know my progress if there is any!!!
 
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AlanFromWichita:
First, is this “amongst” women. I’m not sure what version of the prayer that’s from, but it’s annoying. Yes, when I’m supposed to be praying I’m bracing myself to hear random “ST” sounds around the room after “among.”
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The Baltimore Catechism used “amongst”, so I guess you should ask yourself why you keep saying it “wrong”. :rotfl:
 
I always end up saying the Hail Mary in an Irish accent if I’m saying it over and over, as in the rosary. Anybody else notice this?
 
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Timidity:
The Baltimore Catechism used “amongst”, so I guess you should ask yourself why you keep saying it “wrong”. :rotfl:
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I’ve been practicing saying it both ways now, so I’m bilingual on this. 😉

Alan
 
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AlanFromWichita:
I’ve been practicing saying it both ways now, so I’m bilingual on this. 😉

Alan
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Why? Is the Baltimore in french? :confused:
 
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