Hail Mary: 'Our Lord' or 'The Lord'?

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I have helped in RCIA classes where they teach the Hail Mary in its “modern” vernacular, “The Lord is with you” (not thee). As a matter of fact, that is taught in some Catholic schools now. But those of us who learned to use “thee” just say it the way we want it while the younger folks say “you”. Even when reading off a sheet, say for doing the Stations of the Cross at a retreat, it is very hard to break the habit of saying “thee” – after all, many of us have prayed this so many times in our lives!

I have seen movies about saints who prayed, “pray for me a sinner, now and at the hour of my death” when alone, and “pray for us… our death” when praying in a group.

The latter seems a viable option. Most times when I pray the Hail Mary, it is in the context of praying it along with Catholics all over the world. But a few times, when in extreme personal crisis, I found myself switching to the, “Pray for me!” version naturally. Doesn’t seem there is anything wrong with that?
 
I have noticed small differences in emphasising certain words. Nothing to do with modernising, of course, just how different teachers said it, presumably.
When the Rosary group is saying it together, one school of thought has ‘The Lord is with THEE’. But another section of the people there say ‘the LORD is with thee’.
It’s a bit irritating, to tell the truth.
Is there a correct version?
 
paperwight66 said:
I have noticed small differences in emphasising certain words. Nothing to do with modernising, of course, just how different teachers said it, presumably.
When the Rosary group is saying it together, one school of thought has ‘The Lord is with THEE’. But another section of the people there say ‘the LORD is with thee’.
It’s a bit irritating, to tell the truth.
Is there a correct version?
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Personally, I’ll take the version that is spoken clearly instead of mumbled unintelligibly so that the only indication that you are to respond is the silence from the leader.
 
Phemie said:
Personally, I’ll take the version that is spoken clearly instead of mumbled unintelligibly so that the only indication that you are to respond is the silence from the leader.
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Hmmmm… well, to tell the truth, I’d rather a mumble than the shouting they go in for at my parish. One time, I counted four different speeds being shouted out. There were only a dozen involved, but they formed into separate cliques, including one woman by herself who plainly didn’t realise that the Rosary has to be finished by a certain time before Mass.
 
paperwight66 said:
Hmmmm… well, to tell the truth, I’d rather a mumble than the shouting they go in for at my parish. One time, I counted four different speeds being shouted out. There were only a dozen involved, but they formed into separate cliques, including one woman by herself who plainly didn’t realise that the Rosary has to be finished by a certain time before Mass.
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YNWA doesn’t count when saying the rosary in Church eh?😛
 
Alloy1 said:
Our beloved hail Mary has been revised due to political correctness
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How does changing from Elizabethan English’s “thee” and “thou” to current English equate to “political correctness?”
 
HelenRose said:
I often wonder about the relationship that men exprerience with Mary. I suppose each person has an unique relationship with her as a Mother.

For me she is a dear friend, sister, and mother on whose lap I can rest my head when life has been unkind to me and to those whom I love. I find great comfort resting in her love.
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She’s something isn’t she? I can’t imagine anyone having a problem with this Woman! I confide in her everything. She’s a real sweetheart! I look forward to honoring her later this morning!
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
How does changing from Elizabethan English’s “thee” and “thou” to current English equate to “political correctness?”
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I can’t speak for the poster but I did find this:
You may have been told that “thou” and “thee” were for familiar use, and “you” and “ye” were formal. This was not true originally, but it was true for about two centuries, roughly 1450-1650, including Shakespeare’s time. The previously plural “you” was used in the singular to signify politeness and respect, which left “thou” and “thee” for all the other singular uses, ranging from endearing intimacy to bitter rudeness. Eventually, the politer “you” drove out nearly all uses of “thee” and “thou”; they survived mostly in poetry and religion.
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Several groups continue to use these pronouns today as part of their daily speech (although with different grammar), including residents of Yorkshire, Cumbria, the East Midlands, and some rural areas of Western England. Some Quakers also used their Plain Speech with “thee” and “thy” until the middle of the 20th century.
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alt-usage-english.org/pronoun_paradigms.html
 
=_Kevin;10177502](I’m new here, so I hope this is the correct place to post this!)
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I’m very new to the Catholic faith and have recently begun praying the Rosary daily. I have a fairly simple question, though I’ve been unable to find an answer anywhere online, so I was hoping someone could enlighten me. When I memorized the Hail Mary prayer, I used this website, which says the prayer goes:
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'Hail Mary, full of grace. Our Lord is with thee…’
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However, right when I got used to praying with the ‘Our Lord,’ I noticed that most sources list the prayer as:
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'Hail Mary full of grace. The Lord is with thee…’
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I know it’s an incredibly minute detail and really doesn’t change the intent of the prayer, but being a perfectionist I would like to know which is the “official way” to recite the prayer (Or if both ways are equally correct).
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Thank you!!
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What? are they different God’s?

MY Experice has always been “THE LORD”🙂
 
. Or even better: say it in Latin! :D /QUOTE:
Yes! Say it in Latin!!! I just learned the Fatima prayer in Latin.

P.S. As to all that political correctness, ( a term coined by Leon Trotsky, by the way,) Jesus was the least PC person imaginable!!!

Southwell
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=HelenRose;10178443]I love Mary - God’s special gift to all of us. I can imagine Her listening to this coversation and saying. “Children, children, children. Love my Son. Do what He tells you to do. That is what I want for you.”
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THAT MY FRIEND IS A PROFOUND AND ACCURATE UNDERSTANDING:) :gopray2:
 
_Kevin said:
(I’m new here, so I hope this is the correct place to post this!)

I’m very new to the Catholic faith and have recently begun praying the Rosary daily. I have a fairly simple question, though I’ve been unable to find an answer anywhere online, so I was hoping someone could enlighten me. When I memorized the Hail Mary prayer, I used this website, which says the prayer goes:

'Hail Mary, full of grace. Our Lord is with thee…’

However, right when I got used to praying with the ‘Our Lord,’ I noticed that most sources list the prayer as:

'Hail Mary full of grace. The Lord is with thee…’

I know it’s an incredibly minute detail and really doesn’t change the intent of the prayer, but being a perfectionist I would like to know which is the “official way” to recite the prayer (Or if both ways are equally correct).

Thank you!!
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Ave Maria, gratia plena
***Dominus ***tecum…

In the Latin from which we get our English version, the word for Lord is “Dominus,” the singular, nominative form. If it was meant to be translated as “Our Lord” it would say “Dominum nostrum.”

In short, “*the *Lord” is the better translation.
 
Stick with THE Lord.

The original Latin uses “the Lord” and so did the Archangel Gabriel who used these very words in saluting Mary at the Annunciation.
 
Boy_Wonder said:
Stick with THE Lord.

The original Latin uses “the Lord” and so did the Archangel Gabriel who used these very words in saluting Mary at the Annunciation.
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Does the Hebrew or Aramaic have articles such as “the” or “a” in its languages? I don’t know.
 
I went to Catholic grade school 1991-2000, and high school 2000-2004.

The version I learned was:

Hail Mary, full of grace;
The Lord is with thee;
bessed art thou** among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus

Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
 
_Kevin said:
However, right when I got used to praying with the ‘Our Lord,’ I noticed that most sources list the prayer as:

'Hail Mary full of grace. The Lord is with thee…’
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Don’t know if someone already mentioned this, but up until the 19th century, “Our Lord”, and not “the Lord”, was said in the English version of the Hail Mary.
 
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