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justasking4
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I have no reason to think that these titles are not. That means that Mary was “wedded to God”. Correct?
i must have understood your question. Can you restate?
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Pixie_Dust
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Actually Luke’s Gospel does say that. 1:35 says the Holy Ghost will “overshadow” her, which is marital language.
Mary willingly “supplied” her womb for the Savior of sinners, Jesus Christ. 1:38.
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justasking4
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Would you happen to know what these documents are?
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happilycatholic
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justasking4
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Where do you get the idea that overshadow = marriage?
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Lampo
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I’d have to see how the Church came up with this title and what She means by it in order to answer your question.
Since you use the Scriptures to tell you that the writer of the Book of Luke is Luke, please provide chapter and verse that says this.
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happilycatholic
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Well it’s your choice. I’ll go with what you have.
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Pixie_Dust
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It has to do with ahem the marital embrace. Please don’t make me spell it out, I’m quite a prude.
It’s a euphemism and I’d prefer to keep it that way.Overshadow, verb; from the Greek episkiazo: From a vaporous cloud that casts a shadow, the word is transferred to a shining cloud surrounding and enveloping persons with brightness. Used of the Holy Spirit exerting creative energy upon the womb of the virgin Mary and impregnating it.
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Lampo
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Yes. The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which is chock full of cross references to Scripture and Church documents, being the main one.
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justasking4
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Would you not agree that even in the defintion you quote above has nothing to do with marriage?It has to do with ahem the marital embrace. Please don’t make me spell it out, I’m quite a prude.
Overshadow, verb; from the Greek episkiazo: From a vaporous cloud that casts a shadow, the word is transferred to a shining cloud surrounding and enveloping persons with brightness. Used of the Holy Spirit exerting creative energy upon the womb of the virgin Mary and impregnating it.
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Pixie_Dust
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No I would not agree, because impregnating someone has to do with the marital embrace. I’m assuming you’ve had basic biology?
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justasking4
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Impregnation does not make one married. We see this all the time in our society. Its called unwed mothers.
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happilycatholic
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Okay so now Mary is not only an idol for the purpose of idol worship, but an unwed mother.
I personally would not want to be treading that ground.
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Pixie_Dust
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Which is exactly why Joseph had a mind to cancel his engagement with Mary when he first learned she was pregnant! At that time, an engagement was just as binding as the actual marriage and he thought her guilty of adultery, and by all rights could have had her stoned to death for it. Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit of God, so it wasn’t a physical encounter but something physical sure happened in her womb! Jesus!
Impregnation results when a couple participates in the “marital” embrace, whether or not an actual marriage ceremony has happened. Even if they’re not legally married, they have physically joined as one flesh, as God designed married couples to do.
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Pixie_Dust
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Note the great lengths our friend has to go to in order to explain away the truth of Scriptures.Okay so now Mary is not only an idol for the purpose of idol worship, but an unwed mother.
I personally would not want to be treading that ground.
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happilycatholic
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JustAsking:
You cannot prove that we worship Mary unless you can prove she’s an idol. You can’t prove she’s an idol because we don’t worship Mary.
You can chase your tale all you want, there’s no proving either way. It’s what’s in your heart. I don’t worship Mary with my heart and soul therefor there is no worship at all. I don’t put Mary before God in my heart and soul therefor there’s no idolitry. Period.
Most people who deeply love Mary don’t pray to her or pray the rosary. They simply have a deep and devoted love for her.
Gosh, even by Protestant standards I would only be slightly misguided.
You can post that list of titles all you want. On my list Jesus won’t see “unwed mother” or “idol”.
You cannot prove that we worship Mary unless you can prove she’s an idol. You can’t prove she’s an idol because we don’t worship Mary.
You can chase your tale all you want, there’s no proving either way. It’s what’s in your heart. I don’t worship Mary with my heart and soul therefor there is no worship at all. I don’t put Mary before God in my heart and soul therefor there’s no idolitry. Period.
Most people who deeply love Mary don’t pray to her or pray the rosary. They simply have a deep and devoted love for her.
Gosh, even by Protestant standards I would only be slightly misguided.
You can post that list of titles all you want. On my list Jesus won’t see “unwed mother” or “idol”.
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happilycatholic
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I am continually saddened by that fact. Never in my life have I encountered such an emphatic resentment for the Mother of our Saviour.Note the great lengths our friend has to go to in order to explain away the truth of Scriptures.
To go so far as to refer to the Blessed Virgin Mary as “just a vessel” which I’ve witnessed here several times or things even worse…
My skin is going to have to get a lot thicker, I can see that now.
It’s not the offront to Mary that hurts the most, it’s the offront to Christ. I can’t imagine He would not be weeping.
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happilycatholic
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Here’s another thing.
I often wonder why non-catholics don’t attack our daily partaking of the Eucharist? That’s certainly different from the ways of non-catholics.
Is it because they think it’s a “safe” battle? It’s not.
I often wonder why non-catholics don’t attack our daily partaking of the Eucharist? That’s certainly different from the ways of non-catholics.
Is it because they think it’s a “safe” battle? It’s not.
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happilycatholic
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