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Angels_Unaware said:
Very interesting how you selectively read and selectively respond to the information that is given to you. Speaks to your general lack of forthrightness and integrity in examining these issues. An intellectually honest person would address all of the arguments, and have differing levels of agreement or disagreement with each one. You just ignore arguments that challenge your pre-conceived notions and arrogance.
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Please keep in mind, as I have learned, those who believe in/practice Sola Scriptura do not limit it to the Bible.

As far as what is true, it turns out the Apostles who knew Mary and took care of Her believed/knew of Her being a virgin (obviously with no other children…and St. Luke’s interview) and that’s something that they passed down to their successors. Those who knew Mary PERSONALLY knew She had never been with a man, and that is why WE believe it, because they said it.
 
justasking4 said:
The rosary certainly does. The Hail Mary does when at the most crucial time in a person’s life i.e. death they prray to Mary.
Which do you think catholics know best: prayers of the mass or the Hail Mary?
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The rosary is a meditation on the Mysteries of Christ’s life, death and resurrection.

I sincerely pray that you get the answers you are looking for because you are truly lost. You have no idea of the Mother of Christ. You have no correct concept of how our Savior was brought to us and most importantly, you have no clue how disrespectful you are to Christ.

I am sorry for you. I am sorry that you refuse to be a part of the knowledge of the Virgin Mary and the role she plays in our world today.

I know you’ll pick apart this post and you’ll quote your Scripture and blindly state, “Where does is say that in Scripture”, but what you need to do is pray for the faith to believe what you can’t prove and what’s not written and learn the difference between Knowlege and Faith.
 
Now say a prayer for me cause I’m about to eat a sandwhich that’s been in my frig since last Friday. 😊
 
JA4, you ignored this
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, which expounds upon the theological implications of viewing Mary as you do.

You are also entirely incorrect that the ECF did not view Mary this way; perhaps you should research what Martin Luther believed about Mary.
 
I think JA4 is avoiding the recent questions posed to him in this thread. I see that he has responded to other posts in other threads within the past 12 minutes.
 
adstrinity said:
Please keep in mind, as I have learned, those who believe in/practice Sola Scriptura do not limit it to the Bible.

As far as what is true, it turns out the Apostles who knew Mary and took care of Her believed/knew of Her being a virgin (obviously with no other children…and St. Luke’s interview) and that’s something that they passed down to their successors. Those who knew Mary PERSONALLY knew She had never been with a man, and that is why WE believe it, because they said it.
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How do you understand those passages in the gospels that refer to the brothers of Christ and Mary being their mother as in Matthew 13:55-56? If they were counsins or kinsmen there is a Greek word for it but its not used in this passage.
 
justasking4 said:
How do you understand those passages in the gospels that refer to the brothers of Christ and Mary being their mother as in Matthew 13:55-56? If they were counsins or kinsmen there is a Greek word for it but its not used in this passage.
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Is he not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?
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Are not his sisters all with us? Where did this man get all this?"
  1. The person/people speaking wrongly call Jesus “the carpenter’s son” when all Christians know that Joseph was not Jesus’ true Father.
  2. The passage says HIS mother is Mary, it does not say that she is the mother of the rest of them.
  3. If you look at other Scriptural references to James, Joseph, Simon and Judas they have a mother who is not Mary, the mother of Jesus.
 
justasking4 said:
How do you understand those passages in the gospels that refer to the brothers of Christ and Mary being their mother as in Matthew 13:55-56? If they were counsins or kinsmen there is a Greek word for it but its not used in this passage.
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Let me repeat myself just in case you missed my post the first time:
Pixie_Dust said:
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Is he not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?

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Are not his sisters all with us? Where did this man get all this?"1. The person/people speaking wrongly call Jesus “the carpenter’s son” when all Christians know that Joseph was not Jesus’ true Father.
  1. The passage says HIS mother is Mary, it does not say that she is the mother of the rest of them.
  2. If you look at other Scriptural references to James, Joseph, Simon and Judas they have a mother who is not Mary, the mother of Jesus.
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  1. I believe if you trace the history of the Greek word back to which you reffer, you will see it not being in use at this time.
  2. The Apostles held to Mary being a virgin before, during, and after Jesus’ birth.
 
justasking4 said:
How do you understand those passages in the gospels that refer to the brothers of Christ and Mary being their mother as in Matthew 13:55-56? If they were counsins or kinsmen there is a Greek word for it but its not used in this passage.
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Gen. 11:26-28 - Lot is Abraham’s nephew (“anepsios”) / Gen. 13:8; 14:14,16 - Lot is still called Abraham’s brother (adelphos") . This proves that, although a Greek word for cousin is “anepsios,” Scripture also uses “adelphos” to describe a cousin.

Luke 1:36 - Elizabeth is Mary’s kinswoman. Some Bibles translate kinswoman as “cousin,” but this is an improper translation because in Hebrew and Aramaic, there is no word for “cousin.”

Acts 1:12-15 - the gathering of Jesus’ “brothers” amounts to about 120. That is a lot of “brothers.” Brother means kinsmen in Hebrew.

Gen. 29:15 - Laban calls Jacob is “brother” even though Jacob is his nephew. Again, this proves that brother means kinsmen or cousin.

Deut. 23:7; 1 Chron. 15:5-18; Jer. 34:9; Neh. 5:7 -“brethren” means kinsmen. Hebrew and Aramaic have no word for “cousin.”
 
JA4, just wanted you to know that the way you spit out the words, “Spouse of the Holy Spirit” as something to be detested reminded me strongly of Peter rebuking the Lord for offering him His flesh to eat and his blood to drink. The thought struck me, and I felt strongly I should remind you of those words that Peter spoke.
 
Angels_Unaware said:
JA4, just wanted you to know that the way you spit out the words, “Spouse of the Holy Spirit” as something to be detested reminded me strongly of Peter rebuking the Lord for offering him His flesh to eat and his blood to drink. The thought struck me, and I felt strongly I should remind you of those words that Peter spoke.
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Do you have the passage for this? Are you perhaps referring to Peter not wanting Jesus to wash his feet but his whole body?
 
Angels_Unaware said:
JA4, you ignored this
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, which expounds upon the theological implications of viewing Mary as you do.

You are also entirely incorrect that the ECF did not view Mary this way; perhaps you should research what Martin Luther believed about Mary.
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Mary had to be a vrgin up to the birth of Christ for the prophecy to be fullfilled. After Jesus was born it was not necessary nor desirable for her to remain a virgin since she was a married woman who had a sexual responsiblity toward her husband as the husband has towards his wife.
 
happilycatholic said:
Yes, JustAsking, please do. We all want to hear that answer.
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I’m here to discuss and learn. These forums are an excellent place to grow and be challenged in what we believe. I have been continually challenged and it helps me to know what i believe and why. I suspect with you 2 that this is to difficult and you may not want to be engaged…🤷
 
justasking4 said:
I’m here to discuss and learn.
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Learn what?
justasking4 said:
I have been continually challenged and it helps me to know what i believe and why.
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Helps you to know what you believe? What does that mean?
justasking4 said:
I suspect with you 2 that this is to difficult and you may not want to be engaged…🤷
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Why do you say that? What do you base this assertion on? Just because I question your motives? I don’t think you are genuinely interested in learning about the Catholic faith. You just want to tear it down for some reason, which of course is impossible.

You didn’t answer the first part of post #490.
 
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