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I think the Catholic position on Mary is a pattern of how Roman Catholicism is not based on the Word of God.
Actually all 23 Rites of Catholicism are based on The Word of God, which is Jesus Christ. (John 1:1) He was building His Church decades before the first epistle was written.
I consider Mary a secondary issue. The essential issue is how Roman Catholicism rejects the biblical gospel of God’s grace.
I may be mistaken here, but didn’t I already explain to you that “Catholic” suffices, is less typing, and doesn’t rudely leave out the other 22 Rites of the Catholic Church? Please be nice and don’t exclude our Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters.
…So the Catholics who met in councils in the 4th century and determined which of the 300+ gospels and epistles circulating around Christendom were truly authentic Scripture that belonged in our NT didn’t actually read it or understand it? What did they do, pull parchment out of a hat? :rotfl:

If you want to start a thread (or direct me to one already going on) about your issues with Catholics believing that we’re saved by Grace Alone, by all means do so. This thread is about the very Scriptural Hail Mary.
 
Ohh… I understand. That is the reason for the Protestant Reformation. The rejection of the Holy Scripture as being final authority is why [edit] Catholicism is the way that it is. Elevating tradition over and above the Word of God keeps the soul in utter darkness.
The Scriptures do not say that they are the final authority. That is your very own extra-Biblical (and anti-Biblical) tradition. According to Scripture, the Church is. Need chapter and verse? I can give you several.

I should caution you that your posts are getting more and more offensive and less and less like you care what Catholics actually believe.
 
Actually all 23 Rites of Catholicism are based on The Word of God, which is Jesus Christ. (John 1:1) He was building His Church decades before the first epistle was written. I may be mistaken here, but didn’t I already explain to you that “Catholic” suffices, is less typing, and doesn’t rudely leave out the other 22 Rites of the Catholic Church? Please be nice and don’t exclude our Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters.
…So the Catholics who met in councils in the 4th century and determined which of the 300+ gospels and epistles circulating around Christendom were truly authentic Scripture that belonged in our NT didn’t actually read it or understand it? What did they do, pull parchment out of a hat? :rotfl:

If you want to start a thread (or direct me to one already going on) about your issues with Catholics believing that we’re saved by Grace Alone, by all means do so. This thread is about the very Scriptural Hail Mary.
I thought a hail Mary is a football play? Maybe Notre Dame created that play? We are fooling around on a secondary issue. Let’s discuss and debate the gospel of God’s grace.

 
The Scriptures do not say that they are the final authority. That is your very own extra-Biblical (and anti-Biblical) tradition. According to Scripture, the Church is. Need chapter and verse? I can give you several.

I should caution you that your posts are getting more and more offensive and less and less like you care what Catholics actually believe.
I was getting the same impression from Reformed when he started to make these claims:
Homework completed because Rome is not a biblical church.
He is truly ignorant. Rome itself is just a City. The Catholic Church itself resides in the Vatican an independent city state. It is a wrong terminalogy that our Protestant friend presumes.
 
I was getting the same impression from Reformed when he started to make these claims:

He is truly ignorant. Rome itself is just a City. The Catholic Church itself resides in the Vatican an independent city state. It is a wrong terminalogy that our Protestant friend presumes.
Time to move on to the essential issue. Let’s leave the secondary issues behind. The Hail Mary play was completed and the Oregon Ducks scored a touchdown and beat Norte Dame by 7 points!

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=272497

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I thought a hail Mary is a football play? Maybe Notre Dame created that play?
Sorry, I don’t get it. I think football is dumb. Bunch of grown men out to half-kill each other (while wearing protective gear!) over a ball. Same type of behavior that made boys lose their recess time suddenly is encouraged and even rewarded with more money than a person should get for “playing” a “game.”
We are fooling around on a secondary issue. Let’s discuss and debate the gospel of God’s grace.
It’ll have to be another thread, sir. If you start discussing the Gospel of Grace on this thread it’ll get closed for drifting off topic. The moderators here are very diligent.
 
And what does that play proove? Mary, Our Lady of the America’s, not only hears prayers but also can answer them. It is a good thing to pray to Mary even facing insurmountable odds; She will help you. 🙂
 
I think the Catholic position on Mary is a pattern of how Roman Catholicism is not based on the Word of God. I consider Mary a secondary issue. The essential issue is how Roman Catholicism rejects the biblical gospel of God’s grace.
May Mary’s loving heart touch your soul and fill you with God’s Grace to love her Son Jesus Christ through His beloved Mother.
 
Jesus is the eternal God, the Alpha and Omega. He has no beginning. I’m sorry, you overemphasize the humanity of Jesus at the cost of His deity. Mary was a sinner like the rest of us who rejoiced in Her savior. Within Marian devotion and doctrine, the Roman Catholic Church has gone way beyond what is written. It will be interesting to see if the teaching of Mary as co-redeemer becomes official dogma. Doesn’t other world religions hold Mary to high esteem too? What is the Islamic view of Mary?
The mistery of Mary lies in genesis and John. Please read the book “Hail Holy Queen” by Scott Hahn so that you can get clarification on how God planned out our salvation. I really hope that this helps you and hope that your are truely open to finding the true meaning of Mary.
 
Actually all 23 Rites of Catholicism are based on The Word of God, which is Jesus Christ. (John 1:1) He was building His Church decades before the first epistle was written. I may be mistaken here, but didn’t I already explain to you that “Catholic” suffices, is less typing, and doesn’t rudely leave out the other 22 Rites of the Catholic Church? Please be nice and don’t exclude our Eastern Catholic brothers and sisters.
…So the Catholics who met in councils in the 4th century and determined which of the 300+ gospels and epistles circulating around Christendom were truly authentic Scripture that belonged in our NT didn’t actually read it or understand it? What did they do, pull parchment out of a hat? :rotfl:

If you want to start a thread (or direct me to one already going on) about your issues with Catholics believing that we’re saved by Grace Alone, by all means do so. This thread is about the very Scriptural Hail Mary.
Per you request: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=272497
 
The mistery of Mary lies in genesis and John. Please read the book “Hail Holy Queen” by Scott Hahn so that you can get clarification on how God planned out our salvation. I really hope that this helps you and hope that your are truely open to finding the true meaning of Mary.
Thanks but I heard Scott Hahn’s testimony many times on tape. I have been given many copies. I prefer to Bible over lay Catholic apologists. Scott Hahn only received the Catholic Mary because he let go of sola scriptura.
 
Thanks but I heard Scott Hahn’s testimony many times on tape. I have been given many copies. I prefer to Bible over lay Catholic apologists. Scott Hahn only received the Catholic Mary because he let go of sola scriptura.
Then why do you come here to this catholic website to seek answers? Who cares about who wrote the book, your biblical scripture proof is all explained perfectly in that book.
 
Then why do you come here to this catholic website to seek answers? Who cares about who wrote the book, your biblical scripture proof is all explained perfectly in that book.
Scott Hahn is almost worshipped by American Roman Catholic Christians. Responding to biblical Christians with Scott Hahn tapes and books, Catholic Answers tract, Madrid books, etc as your answers to biblical challenges is really not a response from divine revelation.
 
Scott Hahn is almost worshipped by American Roman Catholic Christians. Responding to biblical Christians with Scott Hahn tapes and books, Catholic Answers tract, Madrid books, etc as your answers to biblical challenges is really not a response from divine revelation.
Between you me, no, between you and all of us ,Next time pose your own question and answer it yourself and move on as fast as you can. This would really workout much, much better, trust me.
 
Scott Hahn is almost worshipped by American Roman Catholic Christians. Responding to biblical Christians with Scott Hahn tapes and books, Catholic Answers tract, Madrid books, etc as your answers to biblical challenges is really not a response from divine revelation.
What exactly do you mean by that Scott Hahn’s and answers are not “a response from divine revelation”? Who are you to determine what is divine revelation or not?
 
For some Roman Catholics, it may not be. For many Roman Catholics it is idolatry.
Then these same Roman Catholics don’t know their Bible. By the way, do you honor your mother? Don’t you suppose Jesus wants His mother to be honored?
How could anyone treat her as just a receptacle. “Hail Mary - Full of Grace” said the Messenger of God. Only Highly Respected People were given the Honor of “Hail” in those days. The Angel considered Mary Special. Surly so should we!

Did He not do what His mother asked Him to do at the feast of Canna?
He addressed her as “Woman”. A title of Respect in the time of Jesus.
Twisted by ungodly people to mean just the opposite today!

Do you realize that God actually asked Mary if she would be the Mother of Jesus [Our God]? She was to become the New Ark - of the New Covenant of God with His People. People were Killed just for touching the First Ark. It was considered Holy. How much more Holy must have been the Ark of Jesus - Mary- have been if God chose her out of all the woman of Israel? “Mary - Full of Grace” . And yes-“most favored” - the least accurate of translations - to avoid “Full of Grace”.

Do you realize that the Mother of our future Savior is actually alluded to in Genesis? Have you done your homework, or just accepted your own interpretation of the Bible?

What did Jesus mean when he said from the cross, “John, behold your mother.” ? Do you believe that John was Mary’s son too? Wouldn’t this have been redundant - and in Jewish culture - insulting for Jesus to hand over his mother to a stranger if he had a natural brother to take care of her? Wake up people.

John was her New adopted family and because Jesus is our Brother, so are we. Can you imagine what a Blessing that is for Us? The Mother of Jesus is our Mother too!

We are commanded to Honor our Father and Mother. Mary is My Blessed Mother - and Yours if you can find it in your heart to accept her - and love her along with her Son. Can you accept Jesus offer from the Cross to John to “Behold thy Mother”. One of the most beautiful and meaningful versus in the Bible I believe. Will you but give it a moments thought. Would you think about joining Jesus’ whole family including His Mother and the saints? Paul in Hebrew said we are surrounded by “a Cloud of Witnesses” - the saints in heaven - Communing with us. Mary is certainly one of them. And we are invited to join with Her and the other saints to Worship Jesus - Our God. Ask Mary to Pray with you in a crisis as you would ask your earthly mother and friends. She will. She is always there to help as your mother would help in a crisis. Like all the saints in heaven. She is not dead. They are more Alive in God than we ever can be here on earth. To understand. Learn what Prayer really means.

For 16 centuries it meant not only to worship but - “to ask”. As in “Pray tell” [Please] tell me", [another word twisted like “Woman”] was changed to mean -exclusively by the Protestant revolutionaries -to mean only “to worship” To make the Catholics to idolatress. It worked beautifully. Many people, including some Catholics took the bait readily because it made their new beliefs acceptable -though new inventions 16 centuries after the Apostles and Christ.

Mary became the mother of John - and of everyone in the whole world. Johns, Mine, Yours, Everyones. We are family. Shouldn’t we act like it? Can we not ask for our Mother in Heaven to pray for/with us? I think it would break her and her Sons heart for us to ignore her prayers for us. She always points to Jesus and says “Do as He Says”. As she did at Canna to
inaugurate the beginning of His Ministry. Do you realize the significance of what happened there? He made 150 Gallons of Wine at His mother’s request, to keep the party going for the rest of the week! That is devotion.

It is not just “Jesus and Me”. We are invited to a Family Banquet. Will you be willing to greet the Mother of God - The Queen Mother of Jesus when you arrive at that Banquet. Will you snub her? And the other saints (everyone in heaven) likewise because its just Jesus and Me?

What will Jesus think? How will Jesus feel when he sees his mother and brothers treated that way at his Banquet? I’ll bet His mother will be the guest of honor. Can you think of a better candidate?

What will Jesus do if he finds out that you do not feel his mother is worthy of the Great honor and respect she deserves. We know that all generations should call her Blessed and honor her accordingly. Shouldn’t they?

I know my mother prays for me. How much more must the Mother of Jesus -My Brother and yours care for me and you. Should we not love her as we love our natural mother? Are we not commanded to do so to Everyone - including Mary - by the Son of God Himself?

The Bible is Not the final Word. Jesus is. "The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. [John 1:1] The Bible is an Inerrant Holy Tool Infallibly put together for all mankind by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Churches gave it to you.

However, The Bible is not the pillar and foundation of the truth; not the final word. The Church is. The Bible itself says so. And the Church says that Mary is Blessed - and so does the Bible. When Elisabeth, Mary’s cousin found out that Mary was pregnant with Jesus she said “The mother of my Lord” - The Mother of My God. [Luke} Where does that leave people who do not respect her by showing her no honor. - yes - even vilify her!

We honor and Revere the American Flag. Can we not at least honor Jesus’
Mother. Good Catholics and Protestants do that. Don’t you thing everyone should? Can we not ask The Blessed Mother “to Pray for us Sinners now and at our death”? Who better to do so than the Mother of God?

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I am posting this one picture to make a point only. I have no idea if the original source was from a Roman Catholic. I am no way related to the current link to the image, nor do I endorse that site. However, if the image was created by a Roman Catholic, then that should be a wake-up call for you.

http://cuttingedge.org/Virgin_Mary_Pierced_Hand.gif

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:rolleyes: You post a picture that may be from anywhere, & say that it is Mary…when you admit that you have no idea even whether the artist is Catholic.That’s pretty pathetic.
How about either:
(A) telling us where you got it (break the link if you like; we are smart enough to fix it)
OR
(B) quit accusing people of sponsoring what may, for all we know, be a pic painted by some aging hippy who’s still California dreaming.
Really, you have no problem with Mary as co-redeemer? Was Mary crucified for you? Do most Roman Catholic receive the image of Mary with the pierced hands as being from God?
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Piffle.
Pshaw.
Pfui!!!
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What picture? One you hunted out from some site you are apparently ashamed to associate yourself with?
That’s a very arrogant thing to say, since the true Christian life is one of repentance and faith. We repent of our idols, and turn back to God in faith as a pattern of the Christian life. In your silence, I assume that the image of Mary being crucified for you is fine with you?
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What image? You need to show one.
PS: Some people make an idol out of dissing Mary. Some people do that a lot.
I would never post the link because I do not endorse it. I just searched the web for an image of Mary as being crucified so we can continue in greater depth about the topic.
Then don’t post from the site. If it is that bad, why even post from it??
Please explain the difference. I will find an image of Mary on the cross if that helps our discussion.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/crinie123/marycross.jpg
She’s not on a cross/ That is no crucifix. The baby Jesus is clearly holding out His arms in the shape of His adult self nailed to the cross.
Its artist shows that Jesus was born to die for us.
Source?
But that’s not a crucifixion either. Mary is standing in front of the shape of a cross.
If I see the source, I might be able to read the writing over her head to say what it is.
If anyone thinks Mary is crucified here, IMO they need:rolleyes: better glasses.
This person is obviously not Catholic.

He/she is apparently a “Goth”, as a link on his/her site is “gothmaiden.com”.

Reformed, your credibility is rapidly waning, as this kind of infantile display of showing us anti-Christian “artwork” and saying it is Catholic artwork is something that is VERY dishonest.

Wise up, you friendly neighborhood monergist, and be at least authentically Christian in your intentions!
Yes. I agree. Reformed is showing his true colors now.
Anything to attack Mary. Anything.
Just pathetic.:dts:
 
Since some seem unable (unwilling?) to see what this…
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…is in reference to, I hunted this link out:

gardenofpraise.com/images/pieta4.jpg

Amazing…“the Lamb slain before the foundations of the world”. What a beautiful way the artist has chosen, in the first statue, to express the purpose of Jesus’ birth.
I have to think that he (she?) had the Pieta in mind…
Aren’t they a moving pair??
 
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