I can’t prove a negative in this case. Rather is there any teaching or exhortations in the NT that we are to venerate Mary after she has died for example?
The Scriptures came through the Church in cooperation with the Holy Spirit, JA4. They weren’t written on golden tablets.
Nope, it’s an issue for you. You already know this, so why do you torcher yourself by asking the same questions that will get the exact same answer?
Do you care more about what individual Catholics believe rather than what the Church teaches? If so, why?
Fair enough. You are right. How about just THREE orthodox Catholic teachings then?
Again, why do you ask this if you know that not everything the Church teaches is explicitly in Scripture?
This kind of respect is a normal thing in our lives in this world. Now where in the Scriptures are we command to show the same kind of respect to the dead since they are no longer part of this world?
I don’t think I’ve hurt you in any way. I have been direct, to the point and charitable all at once, I hope.
Again, why do you ask this if you know that not everything the Church teaches is explicitly in Scripture?
You have been given ad nauseam the Catholic teaching on intercessory prayer. So, again, why do you ask this if you know that not everything the Church teaches is explicitly in Scripture? This is another example of how you are not interested in that particular teaching. You are trying to show that the Catholic Church goes against Scripture, which is impossible. That is ONE of the motives behind ALL of your posts.
Then how do you know we are not supposed to?
Not all answers are the same. There is quite a range.
Both. The problem i have found is that many believe things not taught by the Catholic church. Have you found the same thing?
Christ is God
They may not be part of this world, but they are part of the Church, and alive in Heaven with Christ. Now, though our faith is based on Christ and the Apostles and not just the parts that happen to get written down, I will point out that Scripture tells us that they surround us and pray for us and rejoice when a sinner comes to salvation.
I dunno about you, but if my Bible started saying prayers I’d be a little freaked out.
A couple of ways. Jesus or His apostles never taught this and so is not an apostolic teaching. Secondly the Lord Jesus Himself is our Great High Priest Who intercedes before the Father for us. He alone is sufficent for all our needs. No other is needed nor possible.
None specifically but if we are to be of the apostles teaching then we have no choice. If what you believe is not grounded in Scripture i.e. not taught by the apostles it is of men.
Well, I’d say this then. If you walked the earth when Jesus did, Jesus’ teachings appeared to be in His own head, i.e. the teachings of a man. Scriptures were not the foundation for His Truth then and they are not the sole foundation for His Truth now. In fact he separated His Truth from the Law.
You don’t know this. You are making assumptions. St. Paul exhorts Christians to “hold fast to the traditions that were handed on to you either by epistle or word of mouth.”
So what? All the answers are the same when asked of the Church and not individual Catholics. Why does this matter to you?
So what? Don’t be one of those persons!
Of course.
Why don’t you go to the Catechism of the Catholic Church and come back and tell ME if it is correct?
That’s not good is it?i must not go to much further. I have other “friends” like you who get upset when i deviate a bit off topic. As it is i will probably get lamblasted for helping you out…
If you are referring to Hebrews 12:1 you will notice it says nothing about praying them nor that they are praying for you. 12:1 is actually a figure of speech, a summation of what the author wrote about in chapter 11. It is not meant to be taken literally as if there is some crowd around us. The New American Bible has an interesting footnote on this verse–"[1-13] Christian life is to be inspired not only by the Old Testament men and women of faith (Hebrews 12:1) but above all by Jesus. As the architect of Christian faith, he had himself to endure the cross before receiving the glory of his triumph (Hebrews 12:2). Reflection on his sufferings should give his followers courage to continue the struggle, if necessary even to the shedding of blood (Hebrews 12:3-4). Christians should regard their own sufferings as the affectionate correction of the Lord, who loves them as a father loves his children."
Me to—I dunno about you, but if my Bible started saying prayers I’d be a little freaked out.
You mean, the Apostles didn’t write it down. You don’t know that they didn’t teach it. Jesus Himself didn’t physically write any Scripture.
Oh, so I guess you don’t ask people to pray for you? People don’t ask you to pray for them? You don’t have prayer-request time at your church? When someone asks you to pray for them, do you tell them it’s not needed or possible?
Again, you are thinking that the teachings of the Apostles are ONLY what they wrote down, when Scripture says otherwise.