Half a million people sign petition urging Francis to reinforce Church teaching on marriage at synod

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You really believe that significant number of the “statisrically insignificant” petitioners were somehow pressured into signing the petition?

And half-million is hardly a small number, even if it is not statistically overwhelming.
Simply following your logic of saying that only a small percentage of the 1.2 billion Catholics are actually Catholic… It would stand that a good percentage of this group is uninformed, but simply following suit. Good for the goose, is good for the gander
 
Simply following your logic of saying that only a small percentage of the 1.2 billion Catholics are actually Catholic… It would stand that a good percentage of this group is uninformed, but simply following suit. Good for the goose, is good for the gander
Where did I say that they weren’t Catholics?

If by “following suit” you mean that petitioners are “faithful to the Msgisterium,” then, sure, they are “following suit.” But they are hardly uninformed.
 
How many of those billion evem know about the synod–or even what a synod is? For that matter, how many Catholics even know what the Church teaches about marriage and family? Half-million is a pretty strong number when you consider that of the billion Catholics out there only a small proportion are significantly engaged with their faith.
It’s also of note that even though there are many Catholics who are odds with the Church in regards to marriage, there is no petition I have heard of, that has anywhere near the number of people that have signed the Filial petition, advocating for Pope Francis to go do the opposite of reaffirming the Church’s stance on marriage.
 
If there was a petition to change the rules I think there would be a lot of signatures on that one too.
 
Your comment begs the question about how many of the 500k are simply following suit? As previous post noted, peer pressure is tough.

500 remains statistically insignificant.
It’s a lot more than are part of, say, New Ways Ministries, and there are some voices in the Church that point to them as a large group clamoring for change.
 
I share your sense of irony in this. If there wasn’t some sense that something could change - and thus be potentially influenced by the petition, the petition wouldn’t have been launched.
Unless they are wanting to remove any shred of legitimacy from news outlets who continue to support the false “Pope Francis wants to change Church teaching” narrative.
 
It’s about TIME. Though I’m not sure he will. The Holy Father has surrounded himself with heretics like Cupich, Kasper, Marx, etc, and one should never underestimate the power of peer pressure.
Calling holy men of the Church heretics is uncharitable, offensive, inappropriate, and uncalled for…it does little to support legitimate concerns being raised in this thread.:eek:
 
Calling holy men of the Church heretics is uncharitable, offensive, inappropriate, and uncalled for…it does little to support legitimate concerns being raised in this thread.:eek:
Why are they “holy men?” Being ordained bishop doesn’t make you a “holy man.”

Nevertheless, I tend to think that there are better ways of making reparation for heresy–real or imagined–than public denouncements.
 
Pretty bold statement… Not to mention absurd

Reported to moderator for call Cardinals heretics.
Forgive me. They are not heretics, yet; rather, borderline heterodox modernists. That isn’t mudslinging, name-calling, or uncharitable. Read some of their statements and tell me their teachings aren’t unorthodox. And these are the Cardinals our current Holy Father associates himself with. It’s a genuine concern of mine and many, many other Catholics.

I pray that His Holiness holds the line regarding morality and family life during the synod, as he has thus far. Whether or not he will… I am not so sure anymore. Is it possible he could divert to the Kasper/Marx school of thought? Maybe. I hope not, but time will soon tell.

500,000 signatures from laity, priests, bishops, and Cardinals on a petition is absolutely a newsworthy occurrence. Yes, there are over a billion Catholics world-wide. But you can’t count on all 1,000,000,000 of them being informed, active, orthodox Catholics.
 
You really believe that significant number of the “statisrically insignificant” petitioners were somehow pressured into signing the petition?

And half-million is hardly a small number, even if it is not statistically overwhelming.
Simply following your logic of saying that only a small percentage of the 1.2 billion Catholics are actually Catholic… It would stand that a good percentage of this group of 500k is uninformed, but simply following suit. Good for the goose, is good for the gander
 
This isn’t a matter of Democracy, it’s a matter of faithful Catholics asking the Pope to public reaffirm Church Teaching. They’re not trying to change anything, simply asking for a more firm statement that -cannot- be ignored by the press like so much else our Holy Father has said on the subject has been.
The thing is, from what I understand, Church Teachings have been being reaffirmed since Vatican I and II and nothing is good enough for some because it is not the affirmation they want to hear. I really don’t know what more the Holy Father can do but pray.
 
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Signed this a long time ago. And if it’s good enough for Cardinal Burke, it’s good enough for me. These days, you have to be *really * careful about whom you listen to…

Pray for the holiness and sanctification of priests.
Forgive me. They are not heretics, yet; rather, borderline heterodox modernists. That isn’t mudslinging, name-calling, or uncharitable. Read some of their statements and tell me their teachings aren’t unorthodox. And these are the Cardinals our current Holy Father associates himself with. It’s a genuine concern of mine and many, many other Catholics.

I pray that His Holiness holds the line regarding morality and family life during the synod, as he has thus far. Whether or not he will… I am not so sure anymore. Is it possible he could divert to the Kasper/Marx school of thought? Maybe. I hope not, but time will soon tell.

500,000 signatures from laity, priests, bishops, and Cardinals on a petition is absolutely a newsworthy occurrence. Yes, there are over a billion Catholics world-wide. But you can’t count on all 1,000,000,000 of them being informed, active, orthodox Catholics.
 
How many of those billion evem know about the synod–or even what a synod is? For that matter, how many Catholics even know what the Church teaches about marriage and family? Half-million is a pretty strong number when you consider that of the billion Catholics out there only a small proportion are significantly engaged with their faith.
Agree. Not trying to be snarky, but I am willing to bet that 90% plus of Catholics in North America and South America are not aware of this petition. This past summer (July and August) I vacationed in Alaska and visited relatives in the Midwest and did not hear any homily or read in their local parish bulletin about this petition. In my own Catholic parish in the Southwest, it was not mentioned at all.

However, if the petition was to receive notoriety it would need to have been posted and discussed in the secular media sites, e.g., Yahoo, news, Google news, Huffington Post and yes even in the Fox and Drudge news sites which conservative Catholics likely view. I don’t believe it was mentioned in any of these sites.

The 500,000 signatures (0.04%) of the total worldwide Catholic population does represent those who adhere to traditional Catholic values. That is good.

Just my own take based upon my readings and observations of Catholic sites and secular sites on this topic, there will be no major changes coming forth from the synod other than streamlining the annulment process.

God Bless and Peace to all.
 
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