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Christmas is celebrated December 25 because when the Feast of the Nativity was instituted on that day Christians already believed that was when Jesus was born. Where they got that idea is open to debate.

December 25 is not the winter solstice, that’s December 21 or 22.

All Saints Day is of course on the liturgical calendar and we do today have vigil masses on the eve of a particular day, so All Saints Day Eve would be October 31, and this of course is the meaning of the word “Halloween” (still occasionally written “Hallowe’en”, better reflecting the etymology).
Ah yes, december 21 , I was confused. Thanks!

Obviously All Saints Day is in the calendar.

I’m speaking about the secular celebration (halloween), which overshadows the vigil in many places… like my country.

Blessings!

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And, halloween isn’t part of the Liturgical year, while Christmas is.
Yet Samhain lies closely to All Saint’s Day just as Christmas lies close to Christmas Day. Sorry but you’re just trying to make differences where there are none.
Where I live people barely knows about All Saints Day, they only know about halloween.
Right and Christmas automatically brings forth Christianity to the minds of the secularized public. :rolleyes:
Also, the focus of Christmas is not pagan, comparing the two, isn’t right.
Wrong. The focus of Halloween ain’t pagan either. If trick-or-treating was pagan then the Church oughta ban costume parties and plays.
 
Yet Samhain lies closely to All Saint’s Day just as Christmas lies close to Christmas Day. Sorry but you’re just trying to make differences where there are none.

Right and Christmas automatically brings forth Christianity to the minds of the secularized public. :rolleyes:

Wrong. The focus of Halloween ain’t pagan either. If trick-or-treating was pagan then the Church oughta ban costume parties and plays.
Pagan: non Christian.

Hmmm, many Parishes are encouraging people to buy Catholic themed costumes for the children, and for doing it in a different day, while other Priests are banning halloween themed decorations and speaking about the celebration. Both postures seem to be against the secular halloween.

But yes, I already know you want only a “Official Condemnation”.

When I said that halloween overshadows All Saints Day, I was not comparing it to Christmas.

Is a well known thing that in this so called Catholic country a reduced percentage of baptized people actually follows their Faith.

Things like halloween only add to the problem. People is celebrating it, and they don’t know about the Liturgical Feast.

Blessings!

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A South American country, consecrated to the Sacred Hearth of Jesus, and the home of the great Catholic philosopher and writer Nicolás Gómez Dávila among other things.

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Yes, you’re right!

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P.S. Btw, I suggest you fellow forum members to read some of his aphorisms.

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But yes, I already know you want only a “Official Condemnation”.
Because there’s likely just as many cases of priests and parents doing the exact opposite of what you’re citing. You sure wouldn’t hear the priest at our homily today ranting about Halloween. :rolleyes:
When I said that halloween overshadows All Saints Day, I was not comparing it to Christmas.
The secularized versions of Christmas have been just as been equally accused of overshadowing the Christian version. You’re comparing it whether you wanted/intended to or not.
Things like halloween only add to the problem. People is celebrating it, and they don’t know about the Liturgical Feast.
Yeah well people in Japan have Christmas season despite it being a mostly non-Christian nation. :rolleyes: Everyone can just lament it all they want but that doesn’t change the facts much. :rolleyes:
 
I find it strange how people in other countries copy silly parts of American culture like these aspects of Halloween, or Santa Claus. What’s the appeal?
 
Pagan: non Christian.

Hmmm, many Parishes are encouraging people to buy Catholic themed costumes for the children, and for doing it in a different day, while other Priests are banning halloween themed decorations and speaking about the celebration. Both postures seem to be against the secular halloween.

But yes, I already know you want only a “Official Condemnation”.

When I said that halloween overshadows All Saints Day, I was not comparing it to Christmas.

Is a well known thing that in this so called Catholic country a reduced percentage of baptized people actually follows their Faith.

Things like halloween only add to the problem. People is celebrating it, and they don’t know about the Liturgical Feast.

Blessings!

🙂
If you want to go after competing religions that consume the lives of Christians, forget Halloween. Take aim at the Superbowl…and then the BCS! 😉 😃

(OK, bad joke. The BCS is the work of the devil, that’s serious stuff.)
 
I find it strange how other countries copy silly parts of American culture like these aspects of Halloween, or Santa Claus. What’s the appeal?
When other countries lose all sense of aesthetics and proportion in order to have a good time, fewer of the drunks stay in the bars. For what it is worth, we are the kings of G-rated plastic festivals.
 
Because there’s likely just as many cases of priests and parents doing the exact opposite of what you’re citing. You sure wouldn’t hear the priest at our homily today ranting about Halloween. :rolleyes:

The secularized versions of Christmas have been just as been equally accused of overshadowing the Christian version. You’re comparing it whether you wanted/intended to or not.

Yeah well people in Japan have Christmas season despite it being a mostly non-Christian nation. :rolleyes: Everyone can just lament it all they want but that doesn’t change the facts much. :rolleyes:
And I know lots of Priests, Bishops and families which don’t follow Church teachings…

But Christmas is a religious celebration, while halloween not.

And yes, I know about the secularization of various religious celebrations, and is horrible too. I’m not saying that halloween is the only case.

Blessings!

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I find it strange how people in other countries copy silly parts of American culture like these aspects of Halloween, or Santa Claus. What’s the appeal?
I don’t know, maybe they want to be more trendy or something… and is terrible that they want to give ore importance to secular celebrations or impostures over the religious ones… anyway, many people sadly have lost the focus in our faith.

For example, it bothers me that the awful Santa Claus character is somewhat slowly taking over the true meaning of Christmas over here.

Blessings!

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And I know lots of Priests, Bishops and families which don’t follow Church teachings…
Which leads the circle back to priests thinking they’re following Church teachings only to develop schismatic/fringe traditionalist behaviors. We can keep doing this but I gotta go to bed.
But Christmas is a religious celebration, while halloween not.
Secular Christmas = Secular Halloween

Christian Christmas = All Saint’s Day

The comparison is of simple logic. Halloween is just the secularization of All Saint’s Day. It’s not pagan.
 
I’m guessing that in some places Christmas hasn’t been as secularized (yet) as Halloween has been. Unfortunately, that’s not the case everywhere.
 
Which leads the circle back to priests thinking they’re following Church teachings only to develop schismatic/fringe traditionalist behaviors. We can keep doing this but I gotta go to bed.

Secular Christmas = Secular Halloween

Christian Christmas = All Saint’s Day

The comparison is of simple logic. Halloween is just the secularization of All Saint’s Day. It’s not pagan.
I use secular and pagan as interchangeable terms, since secularism is just a strategy against Christianity and more precisely, Catholicism.

And what is a pagan?

Not Abrahamic.

Also, schismatic?

To which people are you using that word?

I hope you’re not referring to Traditional minded Catholics, Tradional groups and Ecclesia Dei movements,

Blessings!!!

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One minor point: the date of the feast of the Annunciation (Mar 25) was decided after the feast of Christmas had already been fixed to December 25th, not the other way round. We know that as early as the fourth century, Christmas was fixed on this date, but the Annunciation only much later. It’s reasonable to think the Church took the date and then went back nine months.
So, yes, the reason we celebrate Christmas at that particular time has nothing to do with when Christ was actually born, and the date’s probable pagan origins need not disturb us.
 
One minor point: the date of the feast of the Annunciation (Mar 25) was decided after the feast of Christmas had already been fixed to December 25th, not the other way round. We know that as early as the fourth century, Christmas was fixed on this date, but the Annunciation only much later. It’s reasonable to think the Church took the date and then went back nine months.
So, yes, the reason we celebrate Christmas at that particular time has nothing to do with when Christ was actually born, and the date’s probable pagan origins need not disturb us.
As I said earlier, Christmas was likely decided according to the date of Annunciation, see Luke 1:26.

Blessings!

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As I said earlier, Christmas was likely decided according to the date of Annunciation, see Luke 1:26.

Blessings!

🙂
No, what I posted was that the date of the Annunciation was not decided until after Christmas. It is not set in the calendar until approximately two hundred years after Christmas’ date had been set there.
 
According that the writings I’ve read from various sources, that date was decided according Luke 1:26.

Blessings!

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According that the writings I’ve read from various sources, that date was decided according Luke 1:26.

Blessings!

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Luke gives no date or even the time of year in his account of the Annunciation." In the sixth month" is clearly a reference to the previous verse, in which Elizabeth retires from public life for five months. Besides, the sixth month in the Julian Calendar under the Roman Empire was Iunius, which is now called June so that wouldn’t match up with March 25 in any case. St John Chrysostom describes the feat of Christ mas in the fourth century, but the feast of the Annunciation doesn’t appear anywhere until about 500. In other words, the feast of Christmas was determined, and when the Annunciation was added to the calendar the Church placed the date for it nine months prior to Christmas, so that it would be consistent.
 
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