E
E_7
Guest
Not meaning to be a party pooper, but personally speaking, we see no reason to dress up in costumes and give/receive candies on the 31st of October. 
And thatâs fine.Not meaning to be a party pooper, but personally speaking, we see no reason to dress up in costumes and give/receive candies on the 31st of October.![]()
Most adults donât. When your son gets closer to school age you may be stuck with the tradition.Not meaning to be a party pooper, but personally speaking, we see no reason to dress up in costumes and give/receive candies on the 31st of October.![]()
It is a reason to have fun and there is chocolate involved, so why pass that up? Honestly, there needs to be a reason not to, such as unnecessary expense that handicaps our capacity to offer charity or some risk of giving scandal to the weak already prone to a near occasion of sin:Not meaning to be a party pooper, but personally speaking, we see no reason to dress up in costumes and give/receive candies on the 31st of October.![]()
Someone needs to tell St. Cinderella about the real queens who have been named among the saints and blesseds:Our pastor encourages the children to come to Mass on All Saints dressed as Saints, but the very youngest can come as storybook characters. ( we do a big picnic and Trunk or Treat after the 11 AM Mass annually)
Iâll never forget the time he asked a 4 yr. old during his homily, which saint she was, and she proudly proclaimed âSaint Cinderella!â![]()
All this is very true, although we should not go so far as to make All Souls Day a day of obligation when the Church has not done so.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/all-saints-and-all-souls.html
Besides the Celtic traditions in place, the Roman conquest of Britain in AD 43 brought two other pagan feasts: Feralia was held in late October to honor the dead. Another Autumn festival honored Pomona, the goddess of fruits and trees; probably through this festival, apples became associated with Halloween. Elements of these Roman celebrations were combined with the Celtic Samhain.
With the spread of Christianity and the establishment of All Saints Day, some of these pagan customs remained in the English speaking world for All Hallows Eve (or Halloween, All Saints Eve), perhaps at first more out of superstition and later, more out of fun. Nevertheless, All Saints Day clearly arose from genuine a Christian devotion.
Along with the Feast of All Saints developed the Feast of All Souls. The Church has consistently encouraged the offering of prayers and Mass for the souls of the faithful departed in Purgatory. At the time of their death, these souls are not perfectly cleansed of venial sin or have not atoned for past transgressions, and thereby are deprived of the Beatific Vision. The faithful on earth can assist these souls in Purgatory in attaining the Beatific Vision through their prayers, good works and the offering of Mass.
Someone needs to tell St. Cinderella about the real queens who have been named among the saints and blesseds:
St. Clotilde, queen of King Clovis I, king of the Franks
St. Adelaide, queen of King Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor
St. Elizabeth of Hungary
St. Margaret of Scotland
St. Elizabeth of Portugal (who I am told took after her aunt and namesake, St. Elizabeth of Hungary)
St. Jadwiga of Poland (also known as St. Hedwig, according to the German form of her name)
Wow. You guys are neat. I wish Iâd grown up around you guys.Our family loves Halloween!! Ever since my children were very small, we have always had a huge neighborhood party. My husband and I would buy 50+ pumpkins, hollow them out (wellâŚthat was my husbandâs job), buy or print up a lot of patterns and tools, fix food and invite anyone who wanted to attend. Over the years, our tools have expanded as have our patterns. My husband even bought a pumpkin cleaning power tool. The party is usually held 3 days before Halloween. All of the neighborhood kids and parents carve pumpkins- and we put them out all down the street on orange buckets that I obtained from a home supply store. Every night, we put the pumpkins out- then bring them in around 10:00. My husband and I stay outside with them, keeping them lit- and neighbors join us. We all sit outside talking while our kids compare pumpkins. It is a season of fun and friendship for us. On Halloween night, we have a lot of Trick-or-Treaters who enjoy the pumpkin art show. And, of course, the kids all bring their friends by to see their âartworkâ on the street. As we have grown older, it has become more of a pumpkin aerobic class for us but we love it. Our kids are now grown and married with their own children- but the tradition continues in our neighborhood as well as theirâs. Weâve even been on TV! Iâm always saddened when I read about people who donât let their children dress up, get candy and just be kids for the night. The devil has way more stealth ways to come at people than Halloween celebrations. And God is always here to defeat these attacks on His followers. So have faith and have fun!
Ha. I would have loved to see that.Halloween is very misunderstood. Perhaps itâs my Irish blood, and Iâve researched it with great interest, but Halloween itself, historically anyway, is actually Catholic. I find myself smiling when Christians go to âHarvest Festivalsâ instead of celebrating Halloween (All Hallows Eve) because Samhain was, to the Druids, a harvest festival.While the Druids are an enigma, Samhain is also an enigma. Samhain was basically a time of transition. The Druids had practices, though, that alarm, such as human sacrifice, but keep in mind that very few info is written about the Druids, and most of what we have is from Romans such as Julius Caesar. The Romans felt superior to many other cultures, including Carthage, another culture that participated in human sacrifice, and this was very taboo to the Romans. Why do you think the Romans hated Christians so much? Answer: they equated Christians with the human sacrifice of our Lord.
Anyway, the concept of Trick or Treating is from the medieval practice of âSouling,â when people would go door to door asking for bread in exchange for prayers.
Halloween as we know it today has become commercialized, but is still, to me, a day of remembering the dead and the following All Saints Day, and I also enjoy the candy and snacks, and dressing up. I also donât like the sleazy costumes marketed towards women, but you donât have to go that route. I dressed up as a video game character last year and it was a blast.
Well said, Easter. Iâm agreeing with you⌠this isnât oftenIn 837AD, Pope Gregory IV extended the Feast of the Holy Martyrs to remember all the saints, changed its name to Feast of All Saints and changed the date from May 13 to November 1. The following day was established as a day to pray for the dead in Cluniac monasteries in 998 AD, and spread gradually to the universal Church from there.
The European folk practice of confronting death and the spirit world in the time surrounding All Saints Day predates the official Christian feasts. Some of the customs incorporated into the season pre-date Christianity; they are certainly NOT Protestant, whatever else they are. European folk customs would be more like it, since they are folk reinterpretations of past practices that dovetailed the practices into a Christian worldview.
Obviously, there is going to be common themes any time religious seasons are in keeping with the natural world in the same place. Everything sort of dies down in Europe in November or so. The crops are in. Confronting life and death in the autumn is as natural as can be.
A Nintentdo character, specifically.Ha. I would have loved to see that.
As one of my friends sometimes tells me, even a blind pig finds an acorn, once in awhile.Well said, Easter. Iâm agreeing with you⌠this isnât often:thumbsup:
The credibility of this is dubious. First, I havenât heard of exorcists all over the country saying anything about Halloween. Can you point to any diocesan papers that are promoting this? One article I found when I looked was about Pope Francis praising exorcists and suggesting changing âHalloweenâ of âHolyween.â I hope this isnât true because it makes Catholics sound like dopes. What part of âhallowâ doesnât he understand? Yikes. (And unless there is a recording of him saying this, I wonât believe it. The secular media does distort things like this.)I havenât posted in a while but I have some serious issues with these posts. Halloween is not an innocent feast. We are celebrating a day that Satanic cults are using for heretical actions, evil actions (sacrifices, denegration of the Eucharist). They are performing these acts BECAUSE it is Halloween, and we are giving tacit approval by going out and having parties. IMHO, I equate it to being OK with pro life people going to Planned Parenthood for pregnancy tests or other OBGyn issues. If this is OK then so is Halloween. Please help me see where I am wrong. Exoricists all over the country are warning Catholics not to celebrate it. In our Diocese, the only exorcist we have is having a Mass and Adoration for reparation of all the atrocities being committed on this day.
Planned Parenthood is a singular organization with separate-but-connected services offered to the general public. Halloween is not. It was not invented by Satanists and it certainly hasnât reached its present-day form as a benefit to them. Modern-day Satanism is just as much an invention of 20th century imagination as modern-day paganism is.I havenât posted in a while but I have some serious issues with these posts. Halloween is not an innocent feast. We are celebrating a day that Satanic cults are using for heretical actions, evil actions (sacrifices, denegration of the Eucharist). They are performing these acts BECAUSE it is Halloween, and we are giving tacit approval by going out and having parties. IMHO, I equate it to being OK with pro life people going to Planned Parenthood for pregnancy tests or other OBGyn issues. If this is OK then so is Halloween. Please help me see where I am wrong. Exoricists all over the country are warning Catholics not to celebrate it. In our Diocese, the only exorcist we have is having a Mass and Adoration for reparation of all the atrocities being committed on this day.
Well said, EJ!Planned Parenthood is a singular organization with separate-but-connected services offered to the general public. Halloween is not. It was not invented by Satanists and it certainly hasnât reached its present-day form as a benefit to them. Modern-day Satanism is just as much an invention of 20th century imagination as modern-day paganism is.
The way the Satanists use Halloweenâor even the way neo-pagans such as the Wiccans use it, which is a separate matterâhas nothing whatsoever to do with trick or treating and jack oâlanterns on the porch. Whether or not some little kid dresses up like a princess in order to charm her neighbors out of a bag of candy or stays home is going to have zero effect on them. You may as well say, as some Protestants do, that the feast of Christmas is so tainted by secular greed that weâre better off not celebrating it at all. That, too, is a slippery slope. Have the Jews quit celebrating Passover because of what the Christians did with it? No. Has the Church ditched Christmas because of what the department stores have done with it? No, using Christmas as an excuse for greed is not taking Christmas off the calendar. St. Patrickâs Day, off the calendar? No, not even with all the drunkenness it is used to excuse.
Having said that, it is far preferable to celebrate Dia de los Muertos, which celebrates the communion of the saints. As for making reparation for atrocities, the number of people obliviously using a Saturday-night Halloween as an excuse for debauchery, flippant sacrilege, and drunkenness that âmeans no harmâ to the Church will undoubtedly inflict far more spiritual harm than the small number of people already so given over to deliberate service of the Evil One that they dedicate that evening to purposefully blasphemous rituals.
Her point that the night will call forth activities that cry for reparation is well-taken, however. There are some who use it as one more night to abandon all morals and openly attack religion, and many prefer to pursue that end in the most shocking ways possible. They may not be Satanists, but many are blithely blowing a raspberry at the end thingsâeat, drink, and be merry, for God is a myth and tomorrow, we die! That kind of thinking and that kind of behavior deserves some prayers of reparation, even more than for those neo-pagans who at least believe they are doing honor to some good force in the universe, even as they deny the plain truth that has been preached to them. (That rejection, after all, is sometimes rooted in scandal taken at how far we Christians fall short of what the Gospels say: these people didnât necessarily stray all by themselves, but stray because we ourselves are so lukewarm.) We would like to see all these souls in Heaven some day, after all, as we hope we will be accepted for eternal bliss in spite of our blind faults. The Lord surely thirsts for each one of us, pities us in our blind pursuit of what is deadly to our souls, and hopes that we each will pray for each other out of both fear of plain justice and filial care for our neighbors.Well said, EJ!
I was going to use the same analogy that we donât abandon Christmas simply because retailers have made it about Santa Claus nor have we given up Easter because some celebrate the Solstice with pagan rituals and others think it is nothing more than a day for bunnies and marshmallow Peeps.
We keep holidays in perspective, both secular and religious.