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Not meaning to be a party pooper, but personally speaking, we see no reason to dress up in costumes and give/receive candies on the 31st of October. 🙂
 
Not meaning to be a party pooper, but personally speaking, we see no reason to dress up in costumes and give/receive candies on the 31st of October. 🙂
And that’s fine. 👍

I don’t do anything for Mardi Gras but make and eat pancakes. 😃
 
We love Halloween. We dress up for trick or treating and then have an all saints day party. We also celebrate day of the dead and have an altar. We trick or treat, go to mass, visit cemetery and remember our loved ones. Part of the reasons I love Fall so much. They all pave the way for Thanksgiving–my favorite holiday.
 
Not meaning to be a party pooper, but personally speaking, we see no reason to dress up in costumes and give/receive candies on the 31st of October. 🙂
Most adults don’t. When your son gets closer to school age you may be stuck with the tradition.

After about age 13 I completely lost interest in Halloween and couldn’t understand all the fuss.

Finished school, got married, moved into a Halloween-heavy neighborhood so even if your lights are off you are going to get kids knocking on your door. Nobody wants to be THAT house with the “Sorry, we don’t do Halloween” sign. That’s a sure fire way to get T-P’d.

Now it’s fun. The kids love their costumes and I get to eat the peanut butter cups because my son is allergic!
 
Not meaning to be a party pooper, but personally speaking, we see no reason to dress up in costumes and give/receive candies on the 31st of October. 🙂
It is a reason to have fun and there is chocolate involved, so why pass that up? Honestly, there needs to be a reason not to, such as unnecessary expense that handicaps our capacity to offer charity or some risk of giving scandal to the weak already prone to a near occasion of sin:

*Now in regard to meat sacrificed to idols: we realize that “all of us have knowledge”; knowledge inflates with pride, but love builds up. If anyone supposes he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. But if one loves God, one is known by him.

So about the eating of meat sacrificed to idols: we know that “there is no idol in the world,” and that “there is no God but one.” Indeed, even though there are so-called gods in heaven and on earth (there are, to be sure, many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist. But not all have this knowledge. There are some who have been so used to idolatry up until now that, when they eat meat sacrificed to idols, their conscience, which is weak, is defiled.

Now food will not bring us closer to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, nor are we better off if we do. But make sure that this liberty of yours in no way becomes a stumbling block to the weak. If someone sees you, with your knowledge, reclining at table in the temple of an idol, may not his conscience too, weak as it is, be “built up” to eat the meat sacrificed to idols? Thus through your knowledge, the weak person is brought to destruction, the brother for whom Christ died. When you sin in this way against your brothers and wound their consciences, weak as they are, you are sinning against Christ. Therefore, if food causes my brother to sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I may not cause my brother to sin.* 1 Cor. 8:1-13

We must admit that what applies to meat also applies to chocolate. If we have a concrete reason to believe that our participation in Halloween might lead someone else to be more prone to sin, we ought to refrain, out of concern for our brother or sister in Christ.

Having said that, we don’t do anything special on New Year’s Eve. It’s nothing more than a part of the Octave of Christmas to us, and no reason to lose any sleep. If something everyone else likes is no fun to you, there is no reason you can’t let their party pass you by. They struggle on bravely without us!! 😃
 
Our pastor encourages the children to come to Mass on All Saints dressed as Saints, but the very youngest can come as storybook characters. ( we do a big picnic and Trunk or Treat after the 11 AM Mass annually)
I’ll never forget the time he asked a 4 yr. old during his homily, which saint she was, and she proudly proclaimed “Saint Cinderella!” 😃
Someone needs to tell St. Cinderella about the real queens who have been named among the saints and blesseds:
St. Clotilde, queen of King Clovis I, king of the Franks
St. Adelaide, queen of King Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor
St. Elizabeth of Hungary
St. Margaret of Scotland
St. Elizabeth of Portugal (who I am told took after her aunt and namesake, St. Elizabeth of Hungary)
St. Jadwiga of Poland (also known as St. Hedwig, according to the German form of her name)
 
catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/all-saints-and-all-souls.html

Besides the Celtic traditions in place, the Roman conquest of Britain in AD 43 brought two other pagan feasts: Feralia was held in late October to honor the dead. Another Autumn festival honored Pomona, the goddess of fruits and trees; probably through this festival, apples became associated with Halloween. Elements of these Roman celebrations were combined with the Celtic Samhain.

With the spread of Christianity and the establishment of All Saints Day, some of these pagan customs remained in the English speaking world for All Hallows Eve (or Halloween, All Saints Eve), perhaps at first more out of superstition and later, more out of fun. Nevertheless, All Saints Day clearly arose from genuine a Christian devotion.

Along with the Feast of All Saints developed the Feast of All Souls. The Church has consistently encouraged the offering of prayers and Mass for the souls of the faithful departed in Purgatory. At the time of their death, these souls are not perfectly cleansed of venial sin or have not atoned for past transgressions, and thereby are deprived of the Beatific Vision. The faithful on earth can assist these souls in Purgatory in attaining the Beatific Vision through their prayers, good works and the offering of Mass.
All this is very true, although we should not go so far as to make All Souls Day a day of obligation when the Church has not done so.

When we pray for the dead, we ought to remember that although the Holy Souls in Purgatory can no longer win merit for themselves after death, they are still capable of praying for us, and we ought to ask them to do so. Of course they need our prayers, too, and not just our willingness to remember them fondly or to talk about them with respect!!

Of the Holy Souls, it has been said:
They are unable to pray or merit anything for themselves, yet, when they pray for others, they are heard by God. –St. Alphonsus

If it were but known how great is the power of the good souls in Purgatory with the Heart of God, and if we knew all the graces we can obtain through their intercession, they would not be so much forgotten. We must, therefore, pray much for them, that they may pray much for us.
-** St. John Vianney**
 
Someone needs to tell St. Cinderella about the real queens who have been named among the saints and blesseds:
St. Clotilde, queen of King Clovis I, king of the Franks
St. Adelaide, queen of King Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor
St. Elizabeth of Hungary
St. Margaret of Scotland
St. Elizabeth of Portugal (who I am told took after her aunt and namesake, St. Elizabeth of Hungary)
St. Jadwiga of Poland (also known as St. Hedwig, according to the German form of her name)
 
Halloween is very misunderstood. Perhaps it’s my Irish blood, and I’ve researched it with great interest, but Halloween itself, historically anyway, is actually Catholic. I find myself smiling when Christians go to “Harvest Festivals” instead of celebrating Halloween (All Hallows Eve) because Samhain was, to the Druids, a harvest festival. :confused: While the Druids are an enigma, Samhain is also an enigma. Samhain was basically a time of transition. The Druids had practices, though, that alarm, such as human sacrifice, but keep in mind that very few info is written about the Druids, and most of what we have is from Romans such as Julius Caesar. The Romans felt superior to many other cultures, including Carthage, another culture that participated in human sacrifice, and this was very taboo to the Romans. Why do you think the Romans hated Christians so much? Answer: they equated Christians with the human sacrifice of our Lord.

Anyway, the concept of Trick or Treating is from the medieval practice of “Souling,” when people would go door to door asking for bread in exchange for prayers.

Halloween as we know it today has become commercialized, but is still, to me, a day of remembering the dead and the following All Saints Day, and I also enjoy the candy and snacks, and dressing up. I also don’t like the sleazy costumes marketed towards women, but you don’t have to go that route. I dressed up as a video game character last year and it was a blast.
 
Our family loves Halloween!! Ever since my children were very small, we have always had a huge neighborhood party. My husband and I would buy 50+ pumpkins, hollow them out (well…that was my husband’s job :p), buy or print up a lot of patterns and tools, fix food and invite anyone who wanted to attend. Over the years, our tools have expanded as have our patterns. My husband even bought a pumpkin cleaning power tool. The party is usually held 3 days before Halloween. All of the neighborhood kids and parents carve pumpkins- and we put them out all down the street on orange buckets that I obtained from a home supply store. Every night, we put the pumpkins out- then bring them in around 10:00. My husband and I stay outside with them, keeping them lit- and neighbors join us. We all sit outside talking while our kids compare pumpkins. It is a season of fun and friendship for us. On Halloween night, we have a lot of Trick-or-Treaters who enjoy the pumpkin art show. And, of course, the kids all bring their friends by to see their “artwork” on the street. As we have grown older, it has become more of a pumpkin aerobic class for us but we love it. Our kids are now grown and married with their own children- but the tradition continues in our neighborhood as well as their’s. We’ve even been on TV! I’m always saddened when I read about people who don’t let their children dress up, get candy and just be kids for the night. The devil has way more stealth ways to come at people than Halloween celebrations. And God is always here to defeat these attacks on His followers. So have faith and have fun!
Wow. You guys are neat. I wish I’d grown up around you guys.

Mind you. We weren’t allowed to do the whole Halloween thing. Mom was pretty strict on that score. :rolleyes:

Of course I wasn’t Catholic then. And I didn’t convert until my twenties. And since I’ve never had any kids I’ve never been out trick or treating. But I’ve given out candy. It seems like a lot of fun.
 
Halloween is very misunderstood. Perhaps it’s my Irish blood, and I’ve researched it with great interest, but Halloween itself, historically anyway, is actually Catholic. I find myself smiling when Christians go to “Harvest Festivals” instead of celebrating Halloween (All Hallows Eve) because Samhain was, to the Druids, a harvest festival. :confused: While the Druids are an enigma, Samhain is also an enigma. Samhain was basically a time of transition. The Druids had practices, though, that alarm, such as human sacrifice, but keep in mind that very few info is written about the Druids, and most of what we have is from Romans such as Julius Caesar. The Romans felt superior to many other cultures, including Carthage, another culture that participated in human sacrifice, and this was very taboo to the Romans. Why do you think the Romans hated Christians so much? Answer: they equated Christians with the human sacrifice of our Lord.

Anyway, the concept of Trick or Treating is from the medieval practice of “Souling,” when people would go door to door asking for bread in exchange for prayers.

Halloween as we know it today has become commercialized, but is still, to me, a day of remembering the dead and the following All Saints Day, and I also enjoy the candy and snacks, and dressing up. I also don’t like the sleazy costumes marketed towards women, but you don’t have to go that route. I dressed up as a video game character last year and it was a blast.
Ha. I would have loved to see that. 😉
 
In 837AD, Pope Gregory IV extended the Feast of the Holy Martyrs to remember all the saints, changed its name to Feast of All Saints and changed the date from May 13 to November 1. The following day was established as a day to pray for the dead in Cluniac monasteries in 998 AD, and spread gradually to the universal Church from there.

The European folk practice of confronting death and the spirit world in the time surrounding All Saints Day predates the official Christian feasts. Some of the customs incorporated into the season pre-date Christianity; they are certainly NOT Protestant, whatever else they are. European folk customs would be more like it, since they are folk reinterpretations of past practices that dovetailed the practices into a Christian worldview.

Obviously, there is going to be common themes any time religious seasons are in keeping with the natural world in the same place. Everything sort of dies down in Europe in November or so. The crops are in. Confronting life and death in the autumn is as natural as can be.
Well said, Easter. I’m agreeing with you… this isn’t often :D:thumbsup:
Trident H:
Ha. I would have loved to see that.
A Nintentdo character, specifically. 😃 Once I dressed as Charlie Chaplin, now that was fun.
 
I haven’t posted in a while but I have some serious issues with these posts. Halloween is not an innocent feast. We are celebrating a day that Satanic cults are using for heretical actions, evil actions (sacrifices, denegration of the Eucharist). They are performing these acts BECAUSE it is Halloween, and we are giving tacit approval by going out and having parties. IMHO, I equate it to being OK with pro life people going to Planned Parenthood for pregnancy tests or other OBGyn issues. If this is OK then so is Halloween. Please help me see where I am wrong. Exoricists all over the country are warning Catholics not to celebrate it. In our Diocese, the only exorcist we have is having a Mass and Adoration for reparation of all the atrocities being committed on this day.
 
I haven’t posted in a while but I have some serious issues with these posts. Halloween is not an innocent feast. We are celebrating a day that Satanic cults are using for heretical actions, evil actions (sacrifices, denegration of the Eucharist). They are performing these acts BECAUSE it is Halloween, and we are giving tacit approval by going out and having parties. IMHO, I equate it to being OK with pro life people going to Planned Parenthood for pregnancy tests or other OBGyn issues. If this is OK then so is Halloween. Please help me see where I am wrong. Exoricists all over the country are warning Catholics not to celebrate it. In our Diocese, the only exorcist we have is having a Mass and Adoration for reparation of all the atrocities being committed on this day.
The credibility of this is dubious. First, I haven’t heard of exorcists all over the country saying anything about Halloween. Can you point to any diocesan papers that are promoting this? One article I found when I looked was about Pope Francis praising exorcists and suggesting changing “Halloween” of “Holyween.” I hope this isn’t true because it makes Catholics sound like dopes. What part of “hallow” doesn’t he understand? Yikes. (And unless there is a recording of him saying this, I won’t believe it. The secular media does distort things like this.)

And about those calls the exorcists get come from parents who are afraid their child is involved in the occult: just because the parents call doesn’t mean t the kids are involved in anything Satanic. They are just freaked out about something. Funny how we don’t hear how many turn out to be something of actual concern.

Some Christians think Halloween is some satanic holy day when it really isn’t (to Satanists one’s own birthday is the highest holy day so parents better cancel birthday parties).
 
I haven’t posted in a while but I have some serious issues with these posts. Halloween is not an innocent feast. We are celebrating a day that Satanic cults are using for heretical actions, evil actions (sacrifices, denegration of the Eucharist). They are performing these acts BECAUSE it is Halloween, and we are giving tacit approval by going out and having parties. IMHO, I equate it to being OK with pro life people going to Planned Parenthood for pregnancy tests or other OBGyn issues. If this is OK then so is Halloween. Please help me see where I am wrong. Exoricists all over the country are warning Catholics not to celebrate it. In our Diocese, the only exorcist we have is having a Mass and Adoration for reparation of all the atrocities being committed on this day.
Planned Parenthood is a singular organization with separate-but-connected services offered to the general public. Halloween is not. It was not invented by Satanists and it certainly hasn’t reached its present-day form as a benefit to them. Modern-day Satanism is just as much an invention of 20th century imagination as modern-day paganism is.

The way the Satanists use Halloween–or even the way neo-pagans such as the Wiccans use it, which is a separate matter–has nothing whatsoever to do with trick or treating and jack o’lanterns on the porch. Whether or not some little kid dresses up like a princess in order to charm her neighbors out of a bag of candy or stays home is going to have zero effect on them. You may as well say, as some Protestants do, that the feast of Christmas is so tainted by secular greed that we’re better off not celebrating it at all. That, too, is a slippery slope. Have the Jews quit celebrating Passover because of what the Christians did with it? No. Has the Church ditched Christmas because of what the department stores have done with it? No, using Christmas as an excuse for greed is not taking Christmas off the calendar. St. Patrick’s Day, off the calendar? No, not even with all the drunkenness it is used to excuse.

Having said that, it is far preferable to celebrate Dia de los Muertos, which celebrates the communion of the saints. As for making reparation for atrocities, the number of people obliviously using a Saturday-night Halloween as an excuse for debauchery, flippant sacrilege, and drunkenness that “means no harm” to the Church will undoubtedly inflict far more spiritual harm than the small number of people already so given over to deliberate service of the Evil One that they dedicate that evening to purposefully blasphemous rituals.
 
Planned Parenthood is a singular organization with separate-but-connected services offered to the general public. Halloween is not. It was not invented by Satanists and it certainly hasn’t reached its present-day form as a benefit to them. Modern-day Satanism is just as much an invention of 20th century imagination as modern-day paganism is.

The way the Satanists use Halloween–or even the way neo-pagans such as the Wiccans use it, which is a separate matter–has nothing whatsoever to do with trick or treating and jack o’lanterns on the porch. Whether or not some little kid dresses up like a princess in order to charm her neighbors out of a bag of candy or stays home is going to have zero effect on them. You may as well say, as some Protestants do, that the feast of Christmas is so tainted by secular greed that we’re better off not celebrating it at all. That, too, is a slippery slope. Have the Jews quit celebrating Passover because of what the Christians did with it? No. Has the Church ditched Christmas because of what the department stores have done with it? No, using Christmas as an excuse for greed is not taking Christmas off the calendar. St. Patrick’s Day, off the calendar? No, not even with all the drunkenness it is used to excuse.

Having said that, it is far preferable to celebrate Dia de los Muertos, which celebrates the communion of the saints. As for making reparation for atrocities, the number of people obliviously using a Saturday-night Halloween as an excuse for debauchery, flippant sacrilege, and drunkenness that “means no harm” to the Church will undoubtedly inflict far more spiritual harm than the small number of people already so given over to deliberate service of the Evil One that they dedicate that evening to purposefully blasphemous rituals.
Well said, EJ!

I was going to use the same analogy that we don’t abandon Christmas simply because retailers have made it about Santa Claus nor have we given up Easter because some celebrate the Solstice with pagan rituals and others think it is nothing more than a day for bunnies and marshmallow Peeps.

We keep holidays in perspective, both secular and religious.
 
Well said, EJ!

I was going to use the same analogy that we don’t abandon Christmas simply because retailers have made it about Santa Claus nor have we given up Easter because some celebrate the Solstice with pagan rituals and others think it is nothing more than a day for bunnies and marshmallow Peeps.

We keep holidays in perspective, both secular and religious.
Her point that the night will call forth activities that cry for reparation is well-taken, however. There are some who use it as one more night to abandon all morals and openly attack religion, and many prefer to pursue that end in the most shocking ways possible. They may not be Satanists, but many are blithely blowing a raspberry at the end things–eat, drink, and be merry, for God is a myth and tomorrow, we die! That kind of thinking and that kind of behavior deserves some prayers of reparation, even more than for those neo-pagans who at least believe they are doing honor to some good force in the universe, even as they deny the plain truth that has been preached to them. (That rejection, after all, is sometimes rooted in scandal taken at how far we Christians fall short of what the Gospels say: these people didn’t necessarily stray all by themselves, but stray because we ourselves are so lukewarm.) We would like to see all these souls in Heaven some day, after all, as we hope we will be accepted for eternal bliss in spite of our blind faults. The Lord surely thirsts for each one of us, pities us in our blind pursuit of what is deadly to our souls, and hopes that we each will pray for each other out of both fear of plain justice and filial care for our neighbors.
 
The best thing about Halloween for me is that Halloween basically eradicated Reformation Day in Germany. No one talks about this anymore. This is good because Reformation Day is surly the most satanic day ever existed.

Also I want point out that Society perverted Halloween because Catholic don’t celebrate it the proper way anymore. So we have to take Halloween back and show the world the true value of it.
 
Reformation day is a big thing amongst some of my protestant friends. Used to celebrate it myself.
 
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