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WanderAimlessly
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I do not think this bodes well for the region:
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Ani_Ibi
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Brain
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quick question:
What are they governing? palestine isnt a country.
What are they governing? palestine isnt a country.
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Iran hails Hamas victory
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Since sweeping to power in a shock election win last June, Ahmadinejad has embarked on an all-out verbal assault against Israel. He has labelled the Jewish state as a “tumour” that should be “wiped off the map” or moved as far away as Alaska, and has branded the Holocaust a “myth”.**
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At his news conference this morning, Bush referred to the Hamas victory saying, “I really like the competition of ideas.” He didn’t specify which ideas of Hamas he liked. Murder?
He’s tied our victory in Iraq to Muslims taking votes, and we got a Shia Constitution and Shite republic with Al Quida supporters wining local elections in western Iraq. Now we have the Hamas democratic victory. We also have the never-ending war and 20,000 American dead and wounded.
Now all we need to do is fix Iran.
He’s tied our victory in Iraq to Muslims taking votes, and we got a Shia Constitution and Shite republic with Al Quida supporters wining local elections in western Iraq. Now we have the Hamas democratic victory. We also have the never-ending war and 20,000 American dead and wounded.
Now all we need to do is fix Iran.
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thestickman
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If I follow you correctly, then the following should happen immediately:
Bush should just fall on his sword on TV, after apologizing of course. We should let Saddam out of jail, give him his old job back, 10,000 bulldozers and backhoes so the mass graves can be dug and filled again with the freshly shot women and children, paint his old raperooms, evict Israel, invite the Taliban back into Afghanistan, help Russia reform the USSA and then help them conquer Afghanistan, and then, in a sign of good faith that we are truly sorry, as a nation we should drink a glass of Jim Jones cool-aid…, right?
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gilliam
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From that section of the Press Conference: And so the elections should open the eyes of the old guard there in the Palestinian territories. I like the competition of ideas. I like people who have to go out and say, vote for me, and here’s what I’m going to do. There’s something healthy about a system that does that. And so the elections yesterday were very interesting.
On the other hand, I don’t see how you can be a partner in peace if you advocate the destruction of a country as part of your platform. And I know you can’t be a partner in peace if you have a – if your party has got an armed wing. The elections just took place. We will watch very carefully about the formation of the government. But I will continue to remind people about what I just said, that if your platform is the destruction of Israel, it means you’re not a partner in peace. And we’re interested in peace.
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THE PRESIDENT: Well, I made it very clear that the United States does not support political parties that want to destroy our ally, Israel, and that people must renounce that part of their platform. But the government hasn’t formed yet. They’re beginning to talk about how to form the government. And your question on Abbas was a good one. And our message to him was, we would hope he would stay in office and work to move the process forward. Again, I remind people, the elections – democracy is – can open up the world’s eyes to reality by listening to people. And the elections – the election process is healthy for society, in my judgment. In other words, it’s – one way to figure out how to address the needs of the people is to let them express themselves at the ballot box. And that’s exactly what happened yesterday. And you’ll hear a lot of people saying, well, aren’t we surprised at the outcome, or this, that, or the other.
On the other hand, I don’t see how you can be a partner in peace if you advocate the destruction of a country as part of your platform. And I know you can’t be a partner in peace if you have a – if your party has got an armed wing. The elections just took place. We will watch very carefully about the formation of the government. But I will continue to remind people about what I just said, that if your platform is the destruction of Israel, it means you’re not a partner in peace. And we’re interested in peace.
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THE PRESIDENT: Well, I made it very clear that the United States does not support political parties that want to destroy our ally, Israel, and that people must renounce that part of their platform. But the government hasn’t formed yet. They’re beginning to talk about how to form the government. And your question on Abbas was a good one. And our message to him was, we would hope he would stay in office and work to move the process forward. Again, I remind people, the elections – democracy is – can open up the world’s eyes to reality by listening to people. And the elections – the election process is healthy for society, in my judgment. In other words, it’s – one way to figure out how to address the needs of the people is to let them express themselves at the ballot box. And that’s exactly what happened yesterday. And you’ll hear a lot of people saying, well, aren’t we surprised at the outcome, or this, that, or the other.
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Ryan_King
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The election of any group that blows up civilians, praises “Hitler of Blessed Memory” and vacciliates between Holocaust denials and claiming that “6 million is not enough!”, is extremely troublesome, to say the least. This certainly does not bode well for the peace process. In fact, given the fact that this election has taken place after Ariel Sharon repented of his hardline stance and made historic concessions, it may lead Israel to elect its own hardliners in upcoming elections.
Nevertheless, it is possible that Hamas MAY moderate its position, the way Arafat did in the 1990s.
Nevertheless, it is possible that Hamas MAY moderate its position, the way Arafat did in the 1990s.
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gilliam
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Ryan King:
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gnjsdad
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Ryan King:
We’ll have to wait to see how Hamas reacts to the reality of governance. There’s a difference between being an out-of-power advocate and actually having to govern.
The Palestinian people have spoken, which should make the democracy advocates here happy.
We’ll have to wait to see how Hamas reacts to the reality of governance. There’s a difference between being an out-of-power advocate and actually having to govern.
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gilliam
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Make me happy
Agreed.
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thestickman
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I’m happy and impressed as it seems, based on reports, that it was a fair election.
True.
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maklavan
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“The Palestinian people have spoken, which should make the democracy advocates here happy.”
Are you suggesting that the millions of Americans who vote in a democracy are in error? is democracy a bad system in your eyes? If so, what system would you prefer?
Are you suggesting that the millions of Americans who vote in a democracy are in error? is democracy a bad system in your eyes? If so, what system would you prefer?
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Zerith
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What do the Scots run? N.Irish, Welsh?
Limited self government, some more so than others. Scotland has Home Rule, N.Ireland and Wales have assemblies.
They’d sit on local counsils too - Israel sees it as a part of its territories, so it would have to have local government.
This Hamas victory has been a major setback, and without Sharon… I cannot forsee the situation getting better, only degridation.
Yes, I see that as a good point: “You didn’t vote the way we wanted, so now we’ll ignore you.” - I must say, it’s hypocritical. What if a “Bad” party got elected in Iraq? Would America then say: “Oh, let’s oust that government!” - Unfortunately, the people have chosen Hamas, whether we like it or not.
“Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half the time.”
E. B. White (1899 - 1985)
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Ryan King:
So far, this isn’t looking very promising, I heard in a news report on my way in to work, that Hamas said it won’t recognize or negotiate with Israel. Israel has already said they won’t deal with Hamas, unless they change their charter (understandable, since it calls for complete obliteration of Israel).
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gnjsdad
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Of course, especially those who don’t vote the way I would
I would prefer the republic the Founding Fathers established.
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rlg94086
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That would be the republic you are living in, yes?
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gilliam
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What is very interesting is that this is diametrically opposed to the views of the vast majority of Palestinians. Then again, Hamas has a goal to create an Islamic state, something else a large number of Palestinians are opposed to (especially the Christian ones).
So the People of Palestine have kicked out the mongoose and put in a tiger. Now can they control it?
What would you do if you were in their shoes?
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rlg94086
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Just so I’m not repetitive, I made a response on the similar thread…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=1270124#post1270124
As far as what I would do, if I were in their shoes? That’s a tough one. I’m guessing I would be dead after speaking out against Hamas.
gilliam:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=1270124#post1270124
As far as what I would do, if I were in their shoes? That’s a tough one. I’m guessing I would be dead after speaking out against Hamas.
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