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Isa_Almisry
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I’ve seen MANY muslims use atheist arguments against Christianity.
Your first point is true. Btw have you posted the standards on which to judge the suras on suralikeit?
I’ve also seen PLENTY of muslims using “higer criticism” to criticize the Bible, while turning a blind eye to the same methods application to the Quran, like Wandborough.
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Isa_Almisry
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The challenge was to produce ONE (1) sura like it (or if I remember correctly, even just a part).
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Isa_Almisry
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I don’t know.
Why do you deny the testimony of over 500 witnesses that saw the Lord rise after three days in the tomd? I Corintians 15.4-7?
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hamba2han
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Yes, I have already done so in this post.
No copying from the Qur’an is allowed and therefore these “suras” fail the test of honesty and sincerity.
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Verisimilitude
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I do examine the OT/NT with the same critical eye as that of the Quran and without exception one is proven to be error, and the other true.
Only one can be correct. Some may hold both are incorrect which is an entirely different topic, but if one is true, one is false.
It is not a perceived error or discrepancy when one says Jesus never was crucified, and resurrected, and the other does. That is a actual conflict. The Quran puts words in the mouth of Moses, Mary, Jesus…that are in conflict with that of the Bible.
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Isa_Almisry
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I’ve already commented on the one. Rather a Catch 22 on the Quran.
The other is also good, just too involved for most to follow: it was a major debate in early Islam and quietly dropped until Oritentalists picked up on it.
Another, similarly only for those who want to go into the complexity argument, why are the hadith qudsi (traditions from muslimms where God speaks in the first person) not in the Quran.
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Isa_Almisry
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The problem is that huge chucks of one part of the Quran are repeated/copied in other sections, so I fail to see this as a distinguishing criteria.
So what makes a sura a sura? And makes a good sura good?
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Our scriptures are not based on the so-called private revelations of one man as yours are. The Church has recognized some private revelations, but they do not belong to the deposit of the faith.
Why shouldn’t an atheist attack Islam? He’s lived in Muslim countries I believe, so he knows the real Islam, not the one projected to us by Muslims, leftists and multiculturalists!
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hamba2han
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I believe that those “500 witnesses” thought that they saw Jesus (pbuh) being crucified.Why do you deny the testimony of over 500 witnesses that saw the Lord rise after three days in the tomd? I Corintians 15.4-7?
In the case of the apostate, not only did they believed they saw the body lying out of the grave on 3 consecutive days, they actually buried his body 3 times as well.
That is a big difference in perspective.
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inJESUS
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The hadith qudsi are communicated by Muhammad using his own words: revelation from Allah, words by Muhammad. The Quran, on the other hand, is supposedly the literal words of Allah, hence “higher” that hadith qudsi…
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DB_AND_ALI
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Sorry…there are no enemies of islam ; only billions of christians/buddhists and others who find it very , very difficult to trust the people of the Quran…especially considering what your book says about us so-called ’ unbelievers/infidels.’ BUT…get one thing right , you must not develop a persecution complex as this could cause you to hate all around you…not very good for your spiritual health ! Peace…!
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inJESUS
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no,they **THOUGHT **they saw the body lying out the grave.
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inJESUS
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what’s strange is that the same author of the Quran repeated many passages many times, each time adding new stuff. Was he learning history with time?
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You’re stating what you believe happened, because that’s what you want to believe!
Big deal! Even if they body had been disenterred fifty times, it would not prove that humans had nothing to do with it! Do you not believe that humans can exhume bodies?? You actually see something supernatural in that?
Really, Hamba, you can do better than that!
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hamba2han
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Aah, but they KNOW that they buried his body no less than 3 times.
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inJESUS
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ahhh but people **KNOW **Jesus was crucified. Why do you question the intelligence of some and claimthe others as hallucinating ?
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inJESUS
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talking about hadith qudsi, check yet another plagiarism by Muhammad:
Hadith Qudsi 18:
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: Allah (mighty and sublime be He) will say on the Day of Resurrection:
O son of Adam, I fell ill and you visited Me not. He will say: O Lord, and how should I visit You when You are the Lord of the worlds? He will say: Did you not know that My servant So-and-so had fallen ill and you visited him not? Did you not know that had you visited him you would have found Me with him? O son of Adam, I asked you for food and you fed Me not. He will say: O Lord, and how should I feed You when You are the Lord of the worlds? He will say: Did you not know that My servant So-and-so asked you for food and you fed him not? Did you notknow that had you fed him you would surely have found that (the reward for doing so) with Me? O son of Adam, I asked you to give Me to drink and you gave Me not to drink. He will say: O Lord, how should I give You to drink when You are the Lord of the worlds? He will say: My servant So-and-so asked you to give him to drink and you gave him not to drink. Had you given him to drink you would have surely found that with Me.
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by MY FATHER; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’ Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matthew 25:31-46
Muhammad plagiarized **Jesus’ **words as reported in Matthew and put them as **Allah’s **Word.
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hamba2han
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They KNOW??.. How do they know?
Al-Qur’an, 004.157
**That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- **
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