Hand of God

[Avor]

Well I have been to combat and you are not ready to go to war. You are unstable and I would not want you on the front lines with me. Seek some help.

Is anybody realy ready to go to war? Exactly what sense are you talking about?

Unstable, only spiritualy. Mentaly I’m sure I’m good to go, I can fallow orders, properly do my job, and more than willing to what it takes.

Please elaborate.

By the way, what outfit are you in and what is your rank and your AFSC or MOS? Also what training have you had?

Im inbetween training right now, done basic, off to infintry when my back heals up and when the next course it up and running

AFSC, MOS, those are American things, aren’t they?

 

[Magicsilence]

To truely do good and great in the world means to act with such untold courage, selflessness, to do what’s right no matter the cost, even if it leads to places where even angels fear to tred.

How can it be, that demands are so forced upon us, for something that we would freely give?

To truly do good means standing up for the kid everybody laughs at.

To truly do good means carrying on smiling even when it hurts inside.

To truly do good means saying no to drinking.

To truly do good means humility.

To truly do good means not following the crowd.

To truly do good means visiting the sick and old.

To truly do good means suffering persecution for the sake of God’s word, Jesus Christ.

The angels fear nothing except God Almighty.

To do great in the world **does not **mean pulling a trigger, and taking life from yet another human being lost in dictatorship and chaos.

If you think its difficult to pull a trigger, try living the Christian life.

God bless,

 

[ricko]

AFSC and MOS are American things. If you’re not American then what country are you from? Please answer the question as to what rank you are.

Well trained troops are ready to go to war. Nobody wants to go but you prepare and train for combat.

Now, once more. Answer the following questions:

1. What is your present rank?
2. How long have you been in the service?
3. What is your training specialty?
4. What is the name of your outfit?

Can you answer the above questions?

 

[Avor]

Can you answer the above questions?

If you answer one first, why do you seem to want to know so badly?

 

[Oscarthecat]

Avor,

I really hope you are able to find a way to reconcile your confusion.

I think that the post requesting information about what you do or plan to do in the military is valid- you’re obviously conflicted about taking on military responsibilities, and it might help to be a little more clear about what you believe those responsibilities are.

From your conversation, it seems that you can’t reconcile your conscience to your military duties, so respond like many others-you blame God for putting you in this circumstance and you convince yourself that you are somehow outside of the norms of well formed conscience by claiming that you are some kind of tool of God, or someone consigned by God to do the dirty work of the world.

The problem with your premise is that you have to accept that God didn’t create the evil in the world. Evil is what fills in the space left by the abcense of good. If you believe that God wants you to respond to the evil in the world, then you really need to evaluate how you think God responds to evil. As a member of the military, your goal should not be to erradicate all evil, your goal should be to do God’s will at all times by promoting love and compassion. I know that sounds cheesy, but there’s no other way to say it-you can’t fight evil with evil.
That doesn’t mean, of course, that you respond to violent attacks from oppressors by sticking some kind of flowery bumpersticker on your volkswagon, it means that you always keep in mind that those you are fighting agains are also loved by God.

Let me put this another way-

Most members of the military approach combat in a manner that respects life-that is, they engage in combat because they believe that it is the only way to protect others, and they engage their enemies in a compassionate manner-without glorifying or revelling in violence, and making every effort to promote peace. These members are more likely to provide medical support to wounded enemies, to smile at civilians, and to demonstrate kindness whenever possible. These members of the military see themselves in service to the people they protect, and understand that the force they use should be aimed at preventing injury and death. THese are the soldiers who quietly help at the orphanages in iraq, who never fire a bullet they didn’t think was necessary, and who pray for the dead on both sides.

On the other hand, there are those members of the military who cannot reconcile their values with their military responsibilites, or those who seem to believe that one can suspend one’s conscience in battle. These members are often angry or depressed, they see those they protect as unwitting victims that are somehow less than human, and they villify those they are fighting against as being somehow cursed by God. For these people, destruction and death become ends in themselves. These are the car bombers who have their families release videos of them blowing up malls and convoys and the soldiers that do the unspeakable things that discredit the entire war effort.

Which group do you believe youself to be in? If you’re in the second group, I hope you don’t enlist. If you already have enlisted, ask your supervisor for a desk job.

 

[ricko]

If you answer one first, why do you seem to want to know so badly?

Simple, I believe by your refusal to answer simple questions that any military man can answer, that you are lying. You have refused twice to answer very simple questions which indicates that you cannot answer them. Any military man in the world can rattle off the answers to those simple questions except you.

Your turn.

 

[Avor]

Just asking

But I already did answer your question,

By the way, what outfit are you in and what is your rank and your AFSC or MOS? Also what training have you had?

Im inbetween training right now, done basic, off to infintry when my back heals up and when the next course it up and running

1. What is your present rank?
2. How long have you been in the service?
3. What is your training specialty?
4. What is the name of your outfit?

1- Private, I just finished basic, how many sargents do you see in basic?
2- 4 months, if I just finnished basic, that means I’m new in the forces.
3- Infintry, as I stated
4- That’s iffy, we’re on PAT(personal awaiting trainning) platoon, we’re not in a regiment untill we’re done our Infintry course, but we’re slated 1VP.

AFSC and MOS are American things. If you’re not American then what country are you from?

Canada

 

[ricko]

Thank you. Now that you are inbetween training you should take time to handle your problem. That would be to see a counselor and chaplin. To be a good soldier you must be mentally, physically and spiritually fit. If you are lacking in even one you are not capable of performing your duties.

 

[Avor]

I got it, when I’m trying to figure it realy ****s everything up if I’m missing a peice.

All killing is murder, even in self defence, defence of others, it’s still murder, and a sin, becasue you failed to prevent it, failed to convince your enemy of his error, failed to live and find peace.

I don’t know how, but remembering that suddenly clears things up and I feel alot better.

I think it basicly means, I will commit what is the same as murder, although I may do for just and noble causes, it is just the same. Maybe, although I act with pureity of intentions and pureity of heart, I’m still a beast of violence. In the name of defence or justice, killing a man is all the same.

Somebody once said that it’s human to fear, that metal men fear water as straw men fear fire. Does that mean to fear nothith is not human, but something unnatural?

If so, am I man at all? If what I have are only petty stray thoughts and concerns? What does that make thee? If not man, a creature from a differ plain, what inhuman blood pulsating within thy head fuels these thoughts?

But if thoughts of duty, honour and sacrifice are not human I accept my place as guardian and will hold my beastly shape. I will keep my form not to save to save thoughts stated, but the darker one, ones of snapping flesh and ripping of bones. For these will be my most useful, for it takes a monster to fight monster regardless of reason.

Perhaps violent creatures, good as they are, belong in hell.

Wait, now I realy got it.

I can die in well knowing that my cause is just and what awaits me after I am put down to rest. If I die for Canada I die for the people of Canada, if I die for the people of Canada I die for their religion. In all the religions there are special rules and passages that state what happens to those who defend them. In the Christian faith I am allowed to repent my sins at the gate because they were justified. In the Muslim faith dieing for Allah will assure me a spot in heaven. In the religions of old those who die bravely are welcome into places like Avalon and Valhalla. **Should I be mistaken and find myself in the gaze of Satan I will tell him that I have already completed my life and have done well, what happens now means nothing. **/QUOTE]

How dare I even start raising these questions, here I was thinking about the consequence of my path, when they are so little and irreverent to what’s really important.

There, that makes some kind of sense.

Prepare and expect hell/the worse, and hope I’m wrong.

 

[ricko]

Boy, you are one sick puppy. You think that since you are in the military you lead people to believe that you are going to war. You will be protecting people from getting blown up and other wild dreams. You are very much mistaken. Canada is not at war with anyone anywhere. So quit pretending that you are going into battle as the hand of God. We are very tired of your foul language and your poor English spelling. It’s not the infintry, it’s the INFANTRY. You have had your fun, now it is time for you to leave.
Just leave.

 

[Avor]

I just want to stop bad men from hurting innocent people, I don’t know exacty why or how I think like that, what will become of me because of it, the overall divinity of it, my place in this world, and where and how does god fit into it if at all.

**** it, when I die I’ll figure it out, and things will be pretty dammed obvious at that point anyways.

Canada is not at war with anyone anywhere.

If you can honestly think that, you must be one stupid mother ******. What the bloody **** do you think we’re doing in Afghanistan? You think we’re walking around in blue ****ing helmets playing policemen again? That nobody is being ****ing shot to shit? That this is some kind of ****ing christian aid missing you see on the ****ing TV?

Our troops are over there, fighting, getting shot and blown up, so that we don’t. Americans are in Iraq, and we’re in Afghanistan with them. And the kind of fighting we’re doing overthere is war fighting, nothing less. We’re rolling in tanks, ****, we havent done that since Korea!

Before I do leave, are there more dead soldiers you would like to disrespect, gaves you’d like to spit on?

Hope you step on a landmine you ****ing bastard.

 

[Oscarthecat]

Avor,

You’re a human being. God didn’t make you to be evil. You can’t fight evil with evil. If you try to, you end up bringing more evil into the world. If you need an example of how Christians are called to respond to evil, just read the hagiography of the first few centuries of the early church or read about the chinese martyrs from the last century. These people responded to evil with faith, hope, and charity, and their sacrifices mean something today. These saints did not fantasize about martyrdom or war, they only sought to express their faith, to know and to love God. That isn’t to say that God wants us to all be martyrs, but that our response to evil should be marked by complete trust in God and our call to faith, hope and charity, especially toward our oppressors. Soldiers are no different in this.

**You have a comic book view of martyrdom and what standing up to evil really means. **I’m not trying to be insulting, but when I read between the lines of your posts, I seem themes that comes from any number of comic book and scifi “dark hero” archetypes (Hellboy, Spawn, for example). This type of “hero” come directly from something evil, but has some spark of good, and fights evil by using his own evil nature, and in the end he is redeemed by using his evil powers for good. Do you see any common themes between this archetype and some of the ideas in your posts?

I, for one, recommend that you just stay home if you can’t figure out how to be virtuous in combat because you’re going to do a lot more damage than good in the field. I recommend you show your recruiter or C.O. these posts, because I am sure that they don’t want anyone your brand of fantasies of martyrdom fighting on their side, either.