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Your talking about the changes at Star of the Sea right? I used to have family that attended that church. They were barely Catholic by the time the new priest came along. Needless to say they did not stick around for the transition. As a matter of fact, they donā€™t go to church at all now.
 
mrsdizzyd said:
Your talking about the changes at Star of the Sea right?
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Yes.
I used to have family that attended that church. They were barely Catholic by the time the new priest came along.
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Do you mean they were relatively new Catholics, or barely practicing nominal ones?
Needless to say they did not stick around for the transition. As a matter of fact, they donā€™t go to church at all now.
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Thatā€™s a shame, and Iā€™m really sorry to hear that.

As an aside (since youā€™re clearly familiar with SF), is your avatar from the top of St. Dominicā€™s?
 
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Yes! I went to that parish school. They planted the seed if you will.
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Itā€™s also the parish I was received in! (Hence my username and avatar which reflect my patron, the Dominican Doctor St. Albert the Great whose disciple was none other than the Dominican Angelic Doctor himself, St. Thomas Aquinas). I see from your profile youā€™re ā€œcoming homeā€ so if youā€™re currently in RCIA there youā€™re in exceptional hands!
 
Alas, I donā€™t live in SF anymore, but I am still in the hands of Dominicans (God led me to a parish named for that aforementioned Angelic Doctor šŸ˜‰ ), so Iā€™m sure Iā€™ll be fine.
 
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ā€œContemplare et contemplata aliis tradere.ā€

Indeed, youā€™ll be more than fine. šŸ™‚
 
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An SSPX chapel that celebrates the O.F.?
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A French monk I know told me that Abp Lefebvreā€™s secretary once confided in him that Monseigneur was known to use Eucharistic Prayer II when saying a private Mass between flights in an airport chapel, because itā€™s shorter. Not sure if itā€™s true at allā€¦ but an interesting anecdote nonetheless.
 
Iā€™m confused then. How did you assist at an SSPX Saturday night anticipated Mass of Sunday? Those donā€™t exist in the Extraordinary Form. Or was it a really late Saturday Daily Mass?
 
If youā€™re using the terminology correctly, yes, ā€œVigilsā€ are not unique to the O.F. If youā€™re using it incorrectly (as most people do) to mean the Saturday night Anticipated Mass of Sunday, then no, they are indeed unique to the O.F.

Mass is not anticipated in the E.F.
 
To clarify: I assisted at the SSPX Vigil Mass on Saturday. Next day, to ensure I met my Sunday obligation, I attended a Diocesan Mass. Most weeks I assist at both Saturday and Sunday Masses anyway, so, no big deal.
 
Iā€™m still not following you, sorry.

You attended Mass at an SSPX chapel on a Saturday, that just so happened to be a Vigil (an actual vigil, like the Vigil of Pentecost, or the Vigil of Christmas, or the Vigil of All Saints, etc.) and then went to a diocesan Mass the following day on Sunday which was a proper Sunday Mass? Or are you truly saying that SSPX chapel anticipated Sunday Mass (with the Sunday propers) on a Saturday night?
 
It was a Low Mass, starting after 5 pm. Most dioceses call that a ā€œVigilā€ Mass, and it fulfills the Sunday obligation. SSPX may not call it that, they may just call it Saturday Mass. They may consider that it fulfills the Sunday obligation everywhere, or not; I donā€™t know. Nor am I sure what the Magisterium currently thinks about it, other than Iā€™m not forbidden to ever assist at an SSPX Mass.

Since I attended a Diocesan Sunday Mass the next day, no problem. Sunday obligation fulfilled fer sure! šŸ˜Ž
 
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Gotcha!

The ā€œVigilā€ Mass on Saturdays are truly and properly Sunday liturgies. The readings and all the propers are the exact same as those of Sunday morning. This ā€œVigilā€ Mass is more properly called the Anticipated Mass of Sunday. While anticipated Masses were allowed on a case by case scenario prior to the council they didnā€™t become universally allowed until afterward, and so there is no anticipation of Masses in the E.F. The liturgy you attended was most likely Saturdayā€™s liturgy.

Whether SSPX liturgies satisfy oneā€™s obligation to attend Mass, I have no idea. But letā€™s say that was a diocesan TLM you attended instead of the SSPX. Even though it wouldā€™ve been a Saturday liturgy it wouldā€™ve still satisfied your obligation to attend Sunday Mass because the obligation does not depend on the actual propers being said. You could equally attend a late in the evening Saturday wedding, funeral, or other votive Mass and your obligation would be satisfied.

Now, given @OraLaboraā€™s anecdote about Abp Lefebvre Iā€™m curious if there are some SSPX priests out there celebrating Sunday Mass anticipated on a Saturday night!
 
There actually are some ā€œVigil Massesā€, for example Christmas and the solemnity of St. John the Baptist. These are not Masses of the day itself but have their own propers; and the Vigil Mass of Christmas is not to be confused with the Mass in the Night (Midnight Mass; nor is the Mass at Dawn to be confused with Christmas Day Mass). These existed in the EF, and continue to exist in the OF, and are celebrated the prior evening. I believe a few more were added in the OF, but I forget which ones off the top of my head and Iā€™m too lazy to go from the solarium to my study to find out.
 
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