Happy Birthday, Summorum Pontificum!

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semper_catholicus said:
Come on. You’re a Benedictine tertiary aren’t you? You’re username is OraLABORA. Lol
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Today’s “Labora” was a very hilly bike ride with a couple of category 4 climbs and one category 3 climb, and I could barely drag myself to “Ora” Compline! I’m almost ready to turn in!
 
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Good question. I suspect that everyone who assisted the last time I visited the SSPX Chapel–a on Saturday–assist on Sunday too. Just a hunch about those folks. Parenthetically, last time there was a potluck after Mass, followed by a fascinating talk by the visiting priest, then Complines (sung, in Latin, of course) so it was a late night.

I did just assist at a Diocesan 5 pm Mass (OF) Mass and (funny, right after leaving this conversation) it was introduced as “Vigil Mass for the 14th Sunday in Ordinary Time”. I’ll probably assist at another OF Mass tomorrow since it’ll be boiling hot in the valley and my leased car is way over my mileage budget. I’ll take my trusty '62 along, as I did for today’s OF Mass–for the before and after Mass prayers. I like to finish the OF Mass just like a TLM Low Mass, on my own, with the Prologue, the Aves, Salve Regina, etc
Forgot my earplugs today but maybe I’m getting better at tuning out the OF after Mass chatter. shrug.
 
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To respond to your questions:
  1. SP set up certain requirements. among these are that there needs to be a stable group requesting it. Interestingly, Pope Benedict did not elucidate how large a group.
  2. No.
  3. The presumption is that scheduling would be regular, without defining what regular might be. for example, there are some parishes which are EF parishes. There are also some parishes which may have the EF once a month or less frequently. And there are a number of parishes which have the EF, as a weekday Mass (in other words, none on Sunday).
  4. according to Pope Benedict, the OF is just that - the ordinary Mass, and his comments indicated he did not see it replacing the OF (with the exception of some parishes becoming EF parishes).
  5. He desired that those who have a particular desire to have the EF be able to do, within the limitations he set. that included the possiblity of some parishes becomeing EF parishes.
  6. There clearly was some demand. And some who demanded. He also had been working, since serving under John Paul 2, to bring the SSPX into reconcilliation with the Church. Factually that did not occur, but it certainly appears to be part of his objective. There were others who were not SSPX adherents, but desired the Mass.
As a note, it appears that the EF has achieved a degree of stasis (static balance or equilibrium). There are approximately 17,300 parishes in the US; and from the last time I looked, a bit under 3% had the EF on some regular basis (as noted; some EF parishes; some with the EF weekly on Sunday, others weekly on a weekday; and some with less than weekly). I have a parish nearby which has the EF every Sunday, at 6:30 a.m. They also have 2 evening Saturday Masses, 1 English and one Spanish; and 4 English Masses on Sunday, 3 in Spanish, and one in Vietnamese. As that has been occuring in such fashion for a number of years, it appears that the request for an EF Mass is consistent, but not very large given the size and reach of the parish.
 
@AlbertDerGrosse most elaborate post I’ve seen on the issue so far. Thank you I appreciated it.
 
I assisted at an OF Mass this morning. It was very…folksy. Just couldn’t get my arms to wave, though. I knelt as far as possible during the Creed, since the couple next to me were using the kneeler as a footrest. Hope I didn’t cause too much consternation by kneeling suddenly, or by bowing toward the Processional cross, paying close attention to the Agnus Dei during the handshake and waving fest, etc. And since the melody used for the sung Our Father reminds me of a German beer drinking song, I just recited along, in time, without singing it. It might be a polka, actually–not entirely sure but I think one could do a polka dance to it.
 
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Way up, yep. And lots of orans arms. They’re paying close attention to the priest’s body language.
 
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I feel kind of guilty for being critical. After all it’s my problem, not theirs. I just don’t seem to fit in.
 
SP was written for those faithful with a desire for the Extraordinary Form of the Mass. it was not meant to accommodate priests with a desire to celebrate the EF publicly. It seems that SP is being manipulated be clerics who want to impose the EF in a proactive way rather than the reactive way in which it was intended…
 
While I agree that Pope Benedict XVI primarily had those faithful in mind who are attached to the older form when he penned S.P., it nevertheless affords individual priests with the right to celebrate Mass according to the '62 rubrics even if there isn’t a single layperson to assist at that Mass (Article 2). Since priests are clearly accommodated by S.P. just like the faithful, it isn’t an exercise of manipulation to point this out, nor is it one for priests to avail themselves of their prerogative.
 
You’re right that any priest can celebrate the mass according to either form when lay folks aren’t around. What I meant is when priests push the EF when no demand from the laity exists… which is against the intent of SP
 
What do you mean by “push[ing] the EF”? Are we talking about a priest who lauds the EF or one who berates parishioners for not showing similar interest?
 
I love Papa Benedict !

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Wouldn’t that be 2027 (i.e. the first 10 years after the 10th anniversary)?
 
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