Happy Feast of Christ the King!

[Dempsey1919]

thecoach:

no, it sounds like SSPX to me, that yuo can go about as you wish as long as you dont agree with it, but when someone else disagrees with Traditionalism, you scream, “Obedience!”. You cant have it both ways. **This is a post Vatican 2 church, deal with it.
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No offence but that is the most ridiculous reply that I have ever received.

The Dominicans have been in my city for 350 years and they are totally faithful to the Pope. They offer the Tridentine Mass in total communion with the Pope and they received the permission of our Bishop to do this in 1992. No one even mentions the SSPX in my parish.

My priest teaches at Dominican seminaries all over the world. He is a professor of theology and is an expert on Vatican II. He certainly doesn’t have any issues with the Council.

I am well aware of the fact that this is the post Vatican II Church. What’s your point? I think a lot of good came out of Vatican II and I believe that this is a great Council.

The Pope has saw fit to retain the old Calendar for the EF. I would personally like to follow the New Calendar because that promotes unity. However, I am happy to follow the old Calendar when celebrating the EF, as long as it is licit to do so.

 

[SeekerJen]

Okay…to get out of argumentative mode…

A question since I don’t have any knowledge of the 1962 calendar: on that calendar, does Advent start at the same time as it does on the Novus Ordo calendar?

 

[estesbob]

Nobody is ignoring him! Stop making baseless accusations.

I have a 1962 Missal. On what page can I find his feast?

 

[AJV]

Okay…to get out of argumentative mode…

A question since I don’t have any knowledge of the 1962 calendar: on that calendar, does Advent start at the same time as it does on the Novus Ordo calendar?

Yes (though the argumentative mode is going to be on for some time )

 

[AJV]

no, it sounds like SSPX to me, that yuo can go about as you wish as long as you dont agree with it, but when someone else disagrees with Traditionalism, you scream, “Obedience!”. You cant have it both ways. This is a post Vatican 2 church, deal with it.

thecoach, I don’t think anyone disagrees with you disagreeing with Traditionalism. You can legitimately hope and wish and pray, etc. that one calendar be followed. Or that new saints be added. And so forth. But to say that those who are following the different calendar in an approved expression are being *disobedient *is not correct. How can it be disobedient if the Pope has approved of it?

 

[AJV]

I have a 1962 Missal. On what page can I find his feast?

estesbob, how can you reduce a saint to being “ignored” by the fact that he or she is not on the calendar? How many of our saints are not observed on the liturgical calendar? The way the Church provides for them is through the martyrology.

Should Maximilian Kolbe be rasied to a higher rank in the local calendar so as to merit his Mass being preferred to the Vigil Mass of the Assumption, the Mass said will be the Mass In virtute with the Collect:

Deus, qui sanctum Maximillianum Mariam, presbyterum et martyrem, amore Virginis Immaculatae succensum, animarum zelo et proximi dilectione replevisti, concede propitius, ut, eo intercedente, pro tua gloria in servitio hominum strenue laborantes, usque ad mortem Filio tuo conformari valeamus.

 

[thecoach]

thecoach, I don’t think anyone disagrees with you disagreeing with Traditionalism. You can legitimately hope and wish and pray, etc. that one calendar be followed. Or that new saints be added. And so forth. But to say that those who are following the different calendar in an approved expression are being *disobedient *is not correct. How can it be disobedient if the Pope has approved of it?

For goodness sake, use logic. If the hierarchy wanted the old calendar to be used, why promulgate another one?

 

[thecoach]

Your the one sounding SSPXto me. Rome has made it clear that any who wish can use the Liturgical books of 1962, though you peg any who utilize their rights as schismatic.

Regardless of Vatican II, this is the Catholic Church, deal with it.

Again, you cant have it both ways. You scream “Obedience” when it comes to traditionalism, yet you want to remain stuck in a time warp. This is ludicrous.

 

[thecoach]

estesbob, how can you reduce a saint to being “ignored” by the fact that he or she is not on the calendar? How many of our saints are not observed on the liturgical calendar? The way the Church provides for them is through the martyrology.

Should Maximilian Kolbe be rasied to a higher rank in the local calendar so as to merit his Mass being preferred to the Vigil Mass of the Assumption, the Mass said will be the Mass In virtute with the Collect:

Because the calendar has BEEN REVISED. Gosh people, its not that hard. Is isnt 1962, its isnt pre-Vatican 2. It just isnt. Get with the church please. You like to throw around terms like “the mind of the church” and “obedience”. I suggest you take both into account. Today is NOT Christ the King, THAT is Nov. 25th, PERIOD. What you want to do is divisive, and I dont care what you quote, just use logic, for goodness sake.

 

[LilyM]

Because the calendar has BEEN REVISED. Gosh people, its not that hard. Is isnt 1962, its isnt pre-Vatican 2. It just isnt. Get with the church please. You like to throw around terms like “the mind of the church” and “obedience”. I suggest you take both into account. Today is NOT Christ the King, THAT is Nov. 25th, PERIOD. What you want to do is divisive, and I dont care what you quote, just use logic, for goodness sake.

‘the calendar’ has been revised - FOR those who celebrate the NO - and them only. If Paul VI, John Paul II or Benedict XVI had wanted the same calendar to apply to TLMS, TLM parishes, or Eastern Catholic parishes for that matter, they would’ve said as much.

So no, Christ the King is NOT Nov 25th period. It is Nov 25th for Novus Ordo parishes and them only. It is NOT for Eastern Catholic parishes, neither does it need to be for TLM parishes!

The Church has, and always has had, many different rites and rituals using somewhat different calendars. THAT is the Church, and you are the one who needs to ‘get with it’.

 

[Dempsey1919]

Because the calendar has BEEN REVISED.

You are the only one who seems to have a problem. **THE POPE HAS DECIDED that the old Calendar will be retained with the Tridentine Mass.
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Gosh people, its not that hard. Is isnt 1962, its isnt pre-Vatican 2. It just isnt. Get with the church please. You like to throw around terms like “the mind of the church” and “obedience”. I suggest you take both into account. Today is NOT Christ the King, THAT is Nov. 25th, PERIOD. What you want to do is divisive, and I dont care what you quote, just use logic, for goodness sake.

For those who attend the Tridentine Mass today is Christ the King - and that is a fact. **WE ARE NOT BEING DIVISIVE. WE ARE USING THE CALENDAR THAT THE POPE ENDORSED FOR THE TRIDENTINE MASS - YOU GET WITH THE PICTURE!
**

No one has issues with the new Calendar. By all accounts it seems to be better than the old one. I HAVE SAID ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THAT I WOULD PREFER TO FOLLOW THE NEW CALENDAR WHEN ATTENDING THE TRIDENTINE MASS. However, I will continue using the old Calendar until the Pope sees fit to make changes.

**Until the Magisterium decides otherwise, the old Calendar will be retained for use within the Extraordinary Form.
**

Why are you even bothered about this? It doesn’t impact your life in any way. Your argumentative comments are pointless. Do not presume to be more knowledgeable than Holy Mother Church. If the Pope doesn’t have an issue with the use of the old Calendar why do you?

HAVE A HAPPY CHRIST THE KING!!

 

[Freshman88]

Because the calendar has BEEN REVISED. Gosh people, its not that hard. Is isnt 1962, its isnt pre-Vatican 2. It just isnt. Get with the church please. You like to throw around terms like “the mind of the church” and “obedience”. I suggest you take both into account. Today is NOT Christ the King, THAT is Nov. 25th, PERIOD. What you want to do is divisive, and I dont care what you quote, just use logic, for goodness sake.

here’s a bit of logic for you coach…
Its allowed therefore its not an act of disobedience.

YOU should get with the Church because the Church allows it. Unless of course you know better then the Church?

Tell me thecoach, is the church and His Holiness wrong for allowing us to celebrate this feast day today? Because afterall, thats what your saying.

This may not be pre-Vatican II, but it is certainly post Motu Proprio/ Ecclesia Dei - so get on board with the Church of today, because today there are TWO forms of the same rite.

 

[Dempsey1919]

This may not be pre-Vatican II, but it is certainly post Motu Proprio/ Ecclesia Dei - so get on board with the Church of today.

Excellent observation. I didn’t think of it that way.

 

[estesbob]

Why are you even bothered about this? It doesn’t impact your life in any way. Your argumentative comments are pointless. Do not presume to be more knowledgeable than Holy Mother Church. If the Pope doesn’t have an issue with the use of the old Calendar why do you?

HAVE A HAPPY CHRIST THE KING!!

Then why did the OP start this thread.

When Abraham was practicing law he asked a witness “how many legs would a cow have it a tail was a leg? The witness repleid “5” Lincoln replied-no its 4. Calling a tail a leg doesnt make it one.”

You can call today anythng you today will still be the 30th Sunday is Ordinary Time-unless, of course, one has a time machine.

 

[Freshman88]

Then why did the OP start this thread.

When Abraham was practicing law he asked a witness “how many legs would a cow have it a tail was a leg? The witness repleid “5” Lincoln replied-no its 4. Calling a tail a leg doesnt make it one.”

You can call today anythng you today will still be the 30th Sunday is Ordinary Time-unless, of course, one has a time machine.

I believe the OP started this thread as an act of celebration for himself and those who celebrate the EF. If you don’t celebrate it, it doesn’t make a difference for you…

No, today Summorum Pontificum and Ecclesia Dei are in effect - today there are TWO forms of the Latin rite, each having their own calendar.

Denying Ecclesia Dei or Summorum Pontificum is just as bad as denying Vatican II. We must accept everything Holy Mother Church has - and she has allowed the use of two forms of a single rite each having their own calendar.

This is the Church of Today

 

[LilyM]

Then why did the OP start this thread.

When Abraham was practicing law he asked a witness “how many legs would a cow have it a tail was a leg? The witness repleid “5” Lincoln replied-no its 4. Calling a tail a leg doesnt make it one.”

You can call today anythng you today will still be the 30th Sunday is Ordinary Time-unless, of course, one has a time machine.

No it won’t. Both ‘30th Sunday of Ordinary Time’ and ‘Feast of Christ the King’ are arbitrary designations, like ‘New Years’, which falls on different dates in different countries. New Years in fact was at one point April 1 in Europe’s medieval history. Hence ‘April Fools’, those who stuck to the old calendar when it was changed to January 1.

And it’s not a fixed-in-stone date like spring equinox which, because of its inherent definition as being the date in spring on which the lengths of day and night are equal, can only possibly be on a set date. Or your birthday, which is always at the exact same point of the year.

 

[AnthonyJ]

I was at my diocesan parish for the Feast of Christ the King today. I think you are in violation calling Catholics in full communion with the Pope, SSPXers.

no, it sounds like SSPX to me, that yuo can go about as you wish as long as you dont agree with it, but when someone else disagrees with Traditionalism, you scream, “Obedience!”. You cant have it both ways. This is a post Vatican 2 church, deal with it.

 

[James0235]

You can call today anythng you today will still be the 30th Sunday is Ordinary Time-unless, of course, one has a time machine.

Not only are you being uncharitable. But, since it has been pointed out to both you and thecoach that according to our Holy Father today is the Feast of Christ the King in those parishes using the old calendar under the authority of that same Holy Father, then it stands to reason that since it IS the Feast of Christ the King and you deny this while knowing the truth then that would make you a liar. Would it not?

I’m calling you out on this. You can’t claim ignorance as it has already been explained to you. The Holy Father says that that the Feast can be celebrated today. Are you denying the authority of Benedict XVI or are you lying? Because, it is definitely one or the other.

James

 

[James0235]

Because the calendar has BEEN REVISED. Gosh people, its not that hard. Is isnt 1962, its isnt pre-Vatican 2. It just isnt. Get with the church please. You like to throw around terms like “the mind of the church” and “obedience”. I suggest you take both into account. Today is NOT Christ the King, THAT is Nov. 25th, PERIOD. What you want to do is divisive, and I dont care what you quote, just use logic, for goodness sake.

Benedict XVI says that the Feast of Christ the Kings can be celebrated today. Are you denying his authority? Prior to him Pope John Paul II also gave permission for the Feast to be celebrated on the last Sunday in October by allowing parishes to use the old calendar.

If you are obedient to the Holy Father then you will retract your false statement that today is not the Feast of Christ the King.

You have been corrected on this multiple times. You are now persisting in willfully making dishonest statements.

James

 

[estesbob]

Not only are you being uncharitable. But, since it has been pointed out to both you and thecoach that according to our Holy Father today is the Feast of Christ the King in those parishes using the old calendar under the authority of that same Holy Father, then it stands to reason that since it IS the Feast of Christ the King and you deny this while knowing the truth then that would make you a liar. Would it not?

I’m calling you out on this. You can’t claim ignorance as it has already been explained to you. The Holy Father says that that the Feast can be celebrated today. Are you denying the authority of Benedict XVI or are you lying? Because, it is definitely one or the other.

James

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