Happy Feast of Christ the King!

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Freshman88 said:
I can really relate to the Eastern calendar comments, so allow me to make an addition.

Having multiple calendars is not a hinderence. I grew up in a household where we have always celebrated two calendars because my mother is Ukrainian while my father is Polish. We would celebrate two Christmas’ and two Easters.

If anything, having two calendars was a blessing. It allowed the house to have two different heritages. Instead of deciding whether we would go to St. Casimir’s or Sts. Cyril and Methodius on Christmas, having two calendars allowed us go to both parishes, because they were both on seperate days :). If we could have not done this, I suspect the ethnic tension that was created by their marriage would have only increased an already unique family situation. It was truly a blessing to be able to celebrate two calendars.

Likewise, if I so wish, I can now celebrate the Feast of Christ the King twice! I celebrated the most beautiful service i’ve ever been to yesterday at my first Missa Solemnis and now I can celebrate it again.

Two calendars has not divided us, it has only enriched us! Like my own family, having two calendars allows those who attend both OF and EF parishes to relieve some tension created by using the same calendar.

Unless ofcourse, you feel like we should impose our calendar on the Easterners?

But the thing is… it wasn’t. Just hold back for a moment and pray, I know i’ve been somewhat uncivil and I apologize. When the day is done, we are all part of Rome.
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What I have seen here on this forum is people who have a hard time delaing with the church as it is. It is NOT 1962, there is a NO Mass, there is a NEW calendar, and thats it. People argue that the Pope has the right to ok two calendars, but then the papal office seems to have slipped when it comes to Vat2. It cant be both ways people. And I DOUBT that Rome has the intention of having two calendars, what is the point in that? Use logic, use reason, getyour heads out of the LAtin for just a minute and use some common sense.
 
thecoach said:
What I have seen here on this forum is people who have a hard time delaing with the church as it is. It is NOT 1962, there is a NO Mass, there is a NEW calendar, and thats it. People argue that the Pope has the right to ok two calendars, but then the papal office seems to have slipped when it comes to Vat2. It cant be both ways people. And I DOUBT that Rome has the intention of having two calendars, what is the point in that? Use logic, use reason, getyour heads out of the LAtin for just a minute and use some common sense.
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No need to be rude! That said…
LOL!
that’s actually quite funny because I am currently studying for a Latin test, that I will have at 1:30… let me tell you, the university wasn’t lying when the said “INTENSIVE” Latin!

Anyway… You failed to see the point in my post. Is it illogical for the Church to have two calendars for the various rites? As I demonstrated, no it isn’t. The point in having two sets of calendars is to ensure the integrity of both traditions. It is 2007 anno Domini, and for the Church as it is, has two forms with two calendars. It is logical at the moment given the current situation.

Even if Rome wanted to, it can’t just snap its fingers and say use the new calendar - Its going to take a huge effort to fit in the old mass with the new calendar. Personally, I hope it doesn’t happen. But for now, we don’t know, and for the time being, there are two calendars. Until Rome says otherwise, we have to use the old calendar because the old mass hasn’t been adopted to the new - which as i said, if it’s going to happen where going to need a lot of effort and time.

So before you start acting the way you are - think about it, because the situation as it is, there is no such thing as the Old mass and the new calendar - no one has done it, and so currently it cannot be done. Our hands are tied, so to speak.
 
Freshman88 said:
No need to be rude! That said…
LOL!
that’s actually quite funny because I am currently studying for a Latin test, that I will have at 1:30… let me tell you, the university wasn’t lying when the said “INTENSIVE” Latin!

Anyway… You failed to see the point in my post. Is it illogical for the Church to have two calendars for the various rites? As I demonstrated, no it isn’t. The point in having two sets of calendars is to ensure the integrity of both traditions. It is 2007 anno Domini, and for the Church as it is, has two forms with two calendars. It is logical at the moment given the current situation.

Even if Rome wanted to, it can’t just snap its fingers and say use the new calendar - Its going to take a huge effort to fit in the old mass with the new calendar. Personally, I hope it doesn’t happen. But for now, we don’t know, and for the time being, there are two calendars. Until Rome says otherwise, we have to use the old calendar because the old mass hasn’t been adopted to the new - which as i said, if it’s going to happen where going to need a lot of effort and time.

So before you start acting the way you are - think about it, because the situation as it is, there is no such thing as the Old mass and the new calendar - no one has done it, and so currently it cannot be done. Our hands are tied, so to speak.
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First off, rites is used to refer to Latin versus other rites, the TLM and NO are BOTH in the Roman Rite. And actually, many refer to the power of the Pope, I am quite sure he can ammend the calendar any way he chooses. But look, traditionalers, have fun in the time warp.Who knows, maybe the 1962 calendars you saved from Jan 1 1963 may come back in use again!
 
thecoach said:
First off, rites is used to refer to Latin versus other rites, the TLM and NO are BOTH in the Roman Rite. And actually, many refer to the power of the Pope, I am quite sure he can ammend the calendar any way he chooses. But look, traditionalers, have fun in the time warp.Who knows, maybe the 1962 calendars you saved from Jan 1 1963 may come back in use again!
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ohhh this is just silly. It is clear you have some kind of ideology that is prohibting you from see reality as it is.
  1. I have used the phrase two forms of the same rite, several times in this thread alone… so you do not have to educate me on this point.
    2)The Pope can change it, that does not mean that he will do so.
  2. The calendar is already in use… wake up, this is a legitmate calendar for TODAY, 2007.
  3. The only logical argument that you’ve provided is that having two calendars could be divisive. This is an arguement for getting rid of one of the two calendars but
    -------A) you are not in power
    -------B) the powers that be have deemed it acceptable to practice both calendars
    --------C) they have no shown any desire to change this.
Please, stop being so rude to us - I would very much appreciate an apology, I have apologized already and it would be very nice of you to follow suit.

an obedient servant of Rome,
Freshman88.

p.s. I am only 19 years old, so sadly, I wasn’t around to save any such calendars :).
 
thecoach said:
What I have seen here on this forum is people who have a hard time delaing with the church as it is. It is NOT 1962, there is a NO Mass, there is a NEW calendar, and thats it. People argue that the Pope has the right to ok two calendars, but then the papal office seems to have slipped when it comes to Vat2. It cant be both ways people. And I DOUBT that Rome has the intention of having two calendars, what is the point in that? Use logic, use reason, getyour heads out of the LAtin for just a minute and use some common sense.
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Do you think the Eastern Catholics should have to follow the new calendar of the Latin Rite Church too? I do not see where a calendar should be an issue. I am a member of a NO parish, but I do not see anything wrong with old calendar. I attend the TLM occasionally and am happy that both forms of the Mass are available for Latin Rite Catholics (and that Eastern Rite Catholics have Divine Liturgy available to them). Happy Feast of Christ the King, whether you celebrate it according to the old calendar or the new.
 
lak611 said:
Happy Feast of Christ the King, whether you celebrate it according to the old calendar or the new.
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Uh I dont want to be picky but today is Monday of the 30th week in Ordinary Time. Its not the Feast of Christ the King in any calendar.
 
estesbob said:
Uh I dont want to be picky but today is Monday of the 30th week in Ordinary Time. Its not the Feast of Christ the King in any calendar.
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I am aware that today is Monday. This thread was started yesterday, which was the last Sunday of October (Feast of Christ the King on the old calendar). All this quibbling over calendars is silly. Why is it so difficult to understand that our Holy Father approves of the old Latin Rite calendar, the new Latin Rite calendar, and the Eastern Rite calendar? If it’s good enough for the Pope, it’s good enough for me.
 
lak611 said:
I am aware that today is Monday. This thread was started yesterday, which was the last Sunday of October (Feast of Christ the King on the old calendar). All this quibbling over calendars is silly. Why is it so difficult to understand that our Holy Father approves of the old Latin Rite calendar, the new Latin Rite calendar, and the Eastern Rite calendar? If it’s good enough for the Pope, it’s good enough for me.
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Sorry. I forgot to add the:)
 
lak611 said:
…All this quibbling over calendars is silly…
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Call me crazy - but I’m beginning to think there might be more to the outrage than just the date itself. Could it have something to do with a subtle uncomfortableness with the Feast of the Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ itself?

Could it be a subtle rejection of the “old-fangled” prayer of the Church first mentioned on the first page - the one that calls for the conversion of heretics, apostates, Jews, etc.? Seems all the outrage started after that.

Perhaps the whole notion of “Kingdom” is a little to offensive for some folks? I mean - heaven is a republic isn’t it?

Naaaaaaaa. That’s just crazy.

DustinsDad
 
DustinsDad said:
Call me crazy - but I’m beginning to think there might be more to the outrage than just the date itself. Could it have something to do with a subtle uncomfortableness with the Feast of the Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ itself?

Could it be a subtle rejection of the “old-fangled” prayer of the Church first mentioned on the first page - the one that calls for the conversion of heretics, apostates, Jews, etc.? Seems all the outrage started after that.

Perhaps the whole notion of “Kingdom” is a little to offensive for some folks? I mean - heaven is a republic isn’t it?

Naaaaaaaa. That’s just crazy.

DustinsDad
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I don’t know. Perhaps you might be right. It sounds silly to be arguing about only a calendar. Nobody seems to make an issue out of the Eastern Church celebrating Christmas on January 7.
 
lak611 said:
I don’t know. Perhaps you might be right. It sounds silly to be arguing about only a calendar. Nobody seems to make an issue out of the Eastern Church celebrating Christmas on January 7.
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because the Eastern church is not the Roman Rite
 
thecoach said:
First off, rites is used to refer to Latin versus other rites, the TLM and NO are BOTH in the Roman Rite. And actually, many refer to the power of the Pope, I am quite sure he can ammend the calendar any way he chooses. But look, traditionalers, have fun in the time warp.Who knows, maybe the 1962 calendars you saved from Jan 1 1963 may come back in use again!
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And you have the nerve to call other people ‘divisive’? Where is your Christian charity?
 
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DustinsDad:
Call me crazy - but I’m beginning to think there might be more to the outrage than just the date itself. Could it have something to do with a subtle uncomfortableness with the Feast of the Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ itself?

Could it be a subtle rejection of the “old-fangled” prayer of the Church first mentioned on the first page - the one that calls for the conversion of heretics, apostates, Jews, etc.? Seems all the outrage started after that.

Perhaps the whole notion of “Kingdom” is a little to offensive for some folks? I mean - heaven is a republic isn’t it?

Naaaaaaaa. That’s just crazy.

DustinsDad
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You are right, there is something more to this whole argument than the date of Christ the King; it goes much deeper than that.

These people resent anything that is traditional and they hate the fact that the Holy Father has allowed the use of the Tridentine Mass. They call us “old fashioned” and say that we are in a “time warp” but this is simply not the case. The traditionalists who post on this board are mostly faithful Catholics in full communion with Rome who simply have a love for earlier liturgical practices. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The issue of the calendars is so trivial. The Catholic Church has many different calendars so the addition of one more isn’t going to hurt. What difference does it make to those who attend the OF? It doesn’t even affect them.

To be honest, I think that some people on this thread need to take a step back and ask themselves why they are so against the Extraordinary Calendar. If they spent as much time helping the poor as they do arguing on the Internet, the world would be a far better place.

The Latin rite now has two calendars. Put things into perspective; there are homeless people living in your city and you are arguing and fighting over something so trivial as a calendar. Do you think Jesus cares that we celebrate on different days? I don’t think so.
 
Dempsey1919 said:
To be honest, I think that some people on this thread need to take a step back and ask themselves why they are so against the Extraordinary Calendar. If they spent as much time helping the poor as they do arguing on the Internet, the world would be a far better place.

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Why dont you sell your computer and give the money to the poor?
 
Do you have to officially belong to a Traditional parish to observe feast days on the 1962 dates? This could be an issue when a feast day falls on a Friday, assuming you do some kind of fasting or abstinance of work of mercy on Fridays.
 
lak611 said:
If the Pope allows multiple calendars, why is that wrong? Shouldn’t we as Catholics (no matter what rite) submit to the authority of the Pope?
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Take your own advice then when it comes to NO Mass and Vat 2. You cant pick and choose when to submit.
 
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