Happy Reformation Day to my seperated brothers and sisters!

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This link was provided by a Christian Catholic brother on the Pope Benedict Faith alone thread. Justification by faith is the truth that will set you free! Happy Reformation Day my seperated brothers and sisters! God used Martin Luther so you can know and receive the truth of justification by faith to set you free from the works of the law. I think Pope Benedict knows this truth too (see link on my signature). It was on October 31 that Luther nailed the ninety five theses on the door of the Wittenberg Church. Therefore, on this Halloween, celebrate what God has done through Martin Luther!

Here’s part of the article:

"But many Catholics to this day have not learned the Catholic and biblical doctrine. They think we are saved by good intentions or being nice or sincere or trying a little harder or doing a sufficient number of good deeds. Over the past twenty-five years I have asked hundreds of Catholic college students the question: If you should die tonight and God asks you why he should let you into heaven, what would you answer? The vast majority of them simply do not know the right answer to this, the most important of all questions, the very essence of Christianity. They usually do not even mention Jesus!

Until we Catholics know the foundation, Protestants are not going to listen to us when we try to teach them about the upper stories of the building" Peter Kreeft on Justification by Faith

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0027.html

THE AUTHOR

Peter Kreeft has written extensively (over 25 books) in the areas of Christian apologetics. Link to all of Peter Kreeft’s books here.

Peter Kreeft teaches at Boston College in Boston Massachusetts. He is on the Advisory Board of the Catholic Educator’s Resource Center.

Copyright © 1988 Ignatius Press
 
Yes lets celebrate the fractionating of our unity. Congratulations all around Catholic and Protestants. Our Lord would be very proud. 😉

God bless you
 
Roman_Catholic said:
Yes lets celebrate the fractionating of our unity. Congratulations all around Catholic and Protestants. Our Lord would be very proud. 😉

God bless you
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Did you even bother reading Peter Kreeft’s work on Justification by Faith?

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0027.html

Justification by Faith

PETER KREEFT

The Protestant Reformation began when a Catholic monk rediscovered a Catholic doctrine in a Catholic book.

The Protestant Reformation began when a Catholic monk rediscovered a Catholic doctrine in a Catholic book. The monk, of course, was Luther; the doctrine was justification by faith; and the book was the Bible. One of the tragic ironies of Christian history is that the deepest split in the history of the Church, and the one that has occasioned the most persecution, hatred, and bloody wars on both sides, from the Peasants’ War of Luther’s day through the Thirty Years’ War, which claimed a larger percentage of the population of many parts of central Europe than any other war in history, including the two world wars, to the present-day agony in Northern Ireland — this split between Protestant and Catholic originated in a misunderstanding. And to this day many Catholics and many Protestants still do not realize that fact.

Luther’s story is well known. Passionate, impetuous, demanding, sensitive, and pessimistic in temperament, Luther had never been able to find inner peace. He could not overcome his sense of guilt despite all his good works, prayers, penances, and alms. His confessor advised him to read Romans. No more historically momentous advice was ever given by a confessor. In Romans Luther discovered the simple bombshell truth that God had forgiven his sins freely, not because of Luther’s works in Germany but because of Christ’s work on Calvary. That discovery freed Luther’s spirit and ignited a fire that swept over Europe. The watchword of the Reformation became Saint Paul’s summary of the gospel: “The just (justified, saved) shall live [have eternal life] by faith [in Christ]” (Rom 1: 17)

Where then do good works come in? In Christian Liberty, Luther explains that after the great liberation about faith — that we are saved by faith in Christ’s work, not by our works — comes a great liberation about works: they need not be done slavishly, to buy our way into heaven, to pile up merits or Brownie points with God, but can be done freely and spontaneously and naturally, out of gratitude to God — not to get to heaven but because heaven has already gotten to us. Thus they can be done for the sake of our neighbor, not for our own sake, to purchase salvation. And this is winsome. No one wants to be loved as someone else’s good deed for the day.

The origin of the Reformation is often said to be Luther’s act of nailing ninety-five theses against the sale of indulgences to the door of the church in Wittenberg. This event is celebrated as Reformation Day (October 31, 1517). Luther’s decision to go public was occasioned by the scandal of Tetzel, a Dominican monk who shamelessly peddled forgiveness of sins for a fee. He even had a singing commercial: “Sobald das Geld im Kasten klingt,/Die Seele aus dem Fegfeuer springt!” (“As soon as the money clinks in the casket, the soul springs free from the fires of purgatory!”) The story was told of the thief who asked Tetzel whether he could buy forgiveness for all his future sins as well as his past sins. Tetzel said yes, but it would cost him a thousand gold pieces. The thief paid the money, took the indulgence, and then stole back the money from Tetzel!

But the scandal of selling indulgences was only the catalyst, not the cause, of the Reformation. The Church soon cleaned up its act and forbade the sale of indulgences at the Council of Trent, agreeing with Luther on this point. But one does not split the Church over a practice; one splits the Church over a doctrine, for the Church can change its practice but never its doctrine. To change a practice, one stays in the Church; to change a doctrine, one must start a new Church… Peter Kreeft on Justifictation by Faith
 
2nd_Adam said:
Did you even bother reading Peter Kreeft’s work on Justification by Faith?
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I did and I have. I think Reformation Day always call for celebration. On this day I always pull out my finest German beer *St Pauli’s Girl *(by this I mean the finest that I can afford of course) and toast.

God bless you
 
Nominefili said:
Can’t blame Luther for that one 🤷
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Your speaking to a Catholic who doesn’t point their finger solely at Luther for the Reformation so lets not go there. Or maybe I wont go there 😉

God bless you
 
Actually the Reformation wasn’t all bad for members of the Roman church. If it wasn’t for that blasted heretic Luther and the Counter-Reformation (aka Catholic Reformation… lol) the clergy corruption, indulgences, poor priestly education, etc may not have been addressed so fervently or quickly. 🤷
 
Roman_Catholic said:
I did and I have. I think Reformation Day always call for celebration. On this day I always pull out my finest German beer *St Pauli’s Girl *(by this I mean the finest that I can afford of course) and toast.

God bless you
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I think the Protestants and Catholics who understand the doctrine of justification by faith know that we are much closer than others may think.
 
Nominefili said:
Actually the Reformation wasn’t all bad for members of the Roman church. If it wasn’t for that blasted heretic Luther and the Counter-Reformation (aka Catholic Reformation… lol) the clergy corruption, indulgences, poor priestly education, etc may not have been addressed so fervently or quickly. 🤷
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Sadly I don’t think that this is what people think of when they are celebrating Reformation Day.

God bless
 
Roman_Catholic said:
Your speaking to a Catholic who doesn’t point their finger solely at Luther for the Reformation so lets not go there. Or maybe I wont go there 😉

God bless you
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God is always sovereign, and through Providence… God used Martin Luther to correct the church.
 
2nd_Adam said:
God is always sovereign, and through Providence… God used Martin Luther to correct the church.
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I would agree with you if the same argument couldn’t be made for Calvin and Zwingli… yuck! 😦
 
2nd_Adam said:
God is always sovereign, and through Providence… God used Martin Luther to correct the church.
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You must have misread what I wrote:
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Roman_Catholic:
Your speaking to a Catholic who doesn’t point their finger solely at Luther for the Reformation so lets not go there. Or maybe I wont go there
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God bless
 
I didn’t know there was anything about the Reformation worthy of gloating.🤷

In Christ,
Andrew
 
Nominefili said:
I would agree with you if the same argument couldn’t be made for Calvin and Zwingli… yuck! 😦
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Actually, I read more books by John Calvin than Martin Luther. IMO… John Calvin is one of the most gifted Christian theolgian in all of redemptive history.
 
Harpazo said:
I didn’t know there was anything about the Reformation worthy of gloating.🤷

In Christ,
Andrew
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Please read the OP link from a Catholic professor and see if we can celebrate Reformation Day together on this Halloween!
 
2nd_Adam said:
Actually, I read more books by John Calvin than Martin Luther. IMO… John Calvin is one of the most gifted Christian theolgian in all of redemptive history.
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This should be good Nominefili 😃

Enjoy the celebration 🍿

God bless you
 
Roman_Catholic said:
I did and I have. I think Reformation Day always call for celebration. On this day I always pull out my finest German beer *St Pauli’s Girl *(by this I mean the finest that I can afford of course) and toast.

God bless you
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Okay brother, I will buy a Beck’s dark beer on October 31 and we will toast together! However, I much prefer Corona or two.
 
2nd_Adam said:
Okay brother, I will buy a Beck’s dark beer on October 31 and we will toast together! However,** I much prefer Corona or two.**
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Beck’s will do. A Mexican beer will not do for this celebration.

God bless
 
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