Harry potter, a question for those who know about spiritual warfare

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jimmy:
Fr Amorth is the one who is always quoted by the SSPX and the sedevacantists.
Jimmy, what is your point in saying this? “Guilt by association?”

Fr. Amorth has nothing to do with the groups you mentioned. He’s loyal to the Magisterium. Of course, his advice isn’t infallible. Still, given that he has decades of personal experience ministering to confused young people who have been seduced by the occult, I’d be inclined to take his warnings very seriously indeed.
 
No offense, but I’m more inclined to turst myself that I will not be seduced by Harry Potter’s ‘horrible dark arts’ rather than stop reading the books on the advice of someone who neither knows me nor my capacity to discern reality from fantasy.

This man obviously is not very well read as this quote will show:
in fact, the distinction "does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil.
He apparently has not read Lord of the Rings. Gandalf was an enormously skilled wizard and had magical powers beyond those of anyone.

If my memory serves me correctly, Gandalf was a champion of Light and, whithout him, Middle Earth would have been overrun by Saruon and Sarumon. It seems, at least to me, that the point that all magic leads to the devil would be a false one.

Now back to my original argument.

Harry Potter is not satanic! Harry Potter is not the Devil incarnate! People, read the books! Harry’s mother loved him so much that Voldemort’s spell backfired and ruined him instead. Love beat evil!

And yes, there are talks of prophecies and such, but we have mystics in our daily life here.

My friends, I strongly urge you to read Harry Potter instead of taking one man’s word that it is a satanist book.

If you have read it, and still believe it to be horrible, then that is your opinion, though I heartily disagree with it.
 
thank you al for your replies. my question has been answered. I see that my veiws are in the minority, but that wouldn’t be the first time.
thanks. no more responses are necessery
 
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pfoos:
Please read Claire Merkle’s article regarding Harry Potter.
crossveil.org/potter.html
what a whackado! :whacky: she is reading WAY to much into them.

Sorry thats just my opinion. they’re BOOKS people, thats all, meant for entertainment, I have purchased and read all the books to date as well as the DVD’s that have been released and I am saving them for my niece. I used them when I was a summer camp counselor to get kids away from the video games and into great literature and it worked, the books I brought in got more play than the video games on rainy days. in my opinion anything that gets kids excited about reading is worth its weight in gold. I feel the same way about C.S. Lewis and Tolkein, Rowling belongs right up there with them. Fantasy is not always evil and in fact can take kids into another world all together and if the parent has done their job in planting their kids feet firmly into reality and faith then their should be no problem. I am practically salivating at the idea of the final book, I cant wait! she makes some good points about society and how kids need their parents but the Harry Potter books can hardly be blamed.

TarAshly AKA the Harry Potter NUT!
 
Especially when she hypocritically says it’s okay to read Tolkein and C.S. Lewis, like many detractors do. 👍
 
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rocklobster:
Especially when she hypocritically says it’s okay to read Tolkein and C.S. Lewis, like many detractors do. 👍
Code:
Excuse me, but the authors you are mentioning like Olkien, evil is evil and good is good. There is a fine line there. And good triumphs over evil. Good straight story.

Not so with dear old Harry. As far as Harry Potter goes, the line is smudged. One moment a perosn is good, then the next is evil. I just saw Harry Potter 1V, the Goblet of fire. but it was absolutely evil!!! It is possession to the utmost and most people will not catch that! Most children will be confused why one teacher is good one moment then bad another. As Father Groeschel says again and again…only ‘stupid catholics’ would get messed up with that! To be sure…there are enough people who have great discernement to listen to…so…listen to them. Most catholics can’t even pick up on New Age and think they can make a comment about Harry Potter…give me a break. Get real…

Please do not be ‘stupid catholics’ and think you know it all. Listen to people who have disceenement. Harry Potter is dangerous…if you understand possession at all…
 
It could conjure hellfire just by opening the book and I’d still read it. Good stories are good stories.
 
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Shoshana:
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Excuse me, but the authors you are mentioning like Olkien, evil is evil and good is good. There is a fine line there. And good triumphs over evil. Good straight story.

Not so with dear old Harry. As far as Harry Potter goes, the line is smudged. One moment a perosn is good, then the next is evil. I just saw Harry Potter 1V, the Goblet of fire. but it was absolutely evil!!! It is possession to the utmost and most people will not catch that! Most children will be confused why one teacher is good one moment then bad another. As Father Groeschel says again and again…only ‘stupid catholics’ would get messed up with that! To be sure…there are enough people who have great discernement to listen to…so…listen to them. Most catholics can’t even pick up on New Age and think they can make a comment about Harry Potter…give me a break. Get real…

Please do not be ‘stupid catholics’ and think you know it all. Listen to people who have disceenement. Harry Potter is dangerous…if you understand possession at all…
The trouble with that is that “good conquers evil” again and again and again and again and again with no blurred lines does not make for fun reading.
 
Cool site Dimmers. I think some1 posted that link on these forums before.

By the way, I like your sig too (-:

Sho, there’s a difference between participating in possession rituals or whatever, and reading or watching a movie about them. Okay, so in Tolkien’s books it’s more obvious who is evil. What difference does that make anyway? Is it really going to affect someone that much if they don’t realise which is the bad guy in a movie? Considering that Harry Potter is very much removed from the real world, people aren’t exactly going to model themselves on the teachers in the story to the exact detail. Have you seen anyone trying to make a real magic wand lately??
 
If I banned Harry Potter from my home I would have to ban Narnia, Lord of the Rings, all of Grimm’s fairy tales, and Hans Christian Anderson, just for starters.
Then I would have to consider whether a child should be allowed to read about Greek and Roman myths…Hercules? Icarus? Midas? And legends of the West…King Arthur…Merlin? Beowolf?
Shakepeare? Pretty racy. Romeo and Juliet…suicide pacts?
And maybe our youngsters shouldn’t read Mark Twain as well…racism, satire, impious…The Diaries of Adam and Eve !!! The Good Little Boy!! Forget about Huck Finn!
Omigosh.
Eventually Hawthorne, Washington Irving, Poe, Bierce, Blackwood, Machen…Bradbury, Heinlein, Asimov… Star Wars…all gone.
The puritans of old would be so proud.
I don’t think so. Harry Potter stays on my library shelf. as do all these authors and stories. They wait for my grandchildren and Godchildren’s enjoyment. And hopefully they will discuss what they read with me and others. The imagination is a terrible thing to waste.
No Farenheit 451 in my future if I can help it.
PS thanks mucho for the escapist link. It’s hysterical.
 
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SpiritIsWilling:
He apparently has not read Lord of the Rings. Gandalf was an enormously skilled wizard and had magical powers beyond those of anyone.

If my memory serves me correctly, Gandalf was a champion of Light and, whithout him, Middle Earth would have been overrun by Saruon and Sarumon. It seems, at least to me, that the point that all magic leads to the devil would be a false one.
Although I agree with you about Harry Potter, I have to answer this. It is not exactly an accurate example. Gandalf was subject to a
higher power(I think it is called the Mai in the silmarillion but can’t remember.) that is comparable to God. Gandalfs actions are comparable to the actions of an angel. Magic is not subjecting yourself to God. It is trying to get what you want without God.

But I agree that Harry Potter is not evil.
 
I second that! I was laughing out loud at my desk! haha!:rotfl:

That’s the funniest site in history.
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Why we should not be reading Harry Potter reminded me of this…hope this won’t get me in trouble… :confused:
Rules To Survive A Horror Movie
Let’s say you are walking alone down a deserted country road. All of a sudden it gets really dark. A wolf howls. You hear heavy breathing. Yup, you somehow got stuck in a horror movie. But not to worry! You can survive if you abide by these rules.
Listen closely to the soundtrack and pay attention to the audience. They are usually far more intelligent than you could ever hope to be. Never read a book of demon summoning aloud, even as a joke. As a general rule, don’t solve puzzles that open portals to Hell. Do not take anything from the dead. Never stand in, on, above, below, beside or anywhere near a grave, tomb, crypt, mausoleum or any other house of the dead. Never back out of one room into another without looking. It’s always behind you. If you are searching for something which caused a loud noise and you find out it’s just the cat, leave the room immediately if you value your life. Do not go search for something in the basement, especially if the power has just gone out. When you are searching a house because you think there is something dangerous there, turn on the lights! Oh yeah and if appliances start operating by themselves, move out. If you’re running away from the monster, expect to trip or fall down at least twice, more if you are of the female persuasion. Also note that despite the fact that you are running and the monster is merely shambling along, it’s still moving fast enough to catch up with you. When it appears you have killed the monster, NEVER check to see if it’s really dead. If your companions suddenly begin to exhibit uncharacteristic behavior such as hissing, developing a fascination with blood, glowing eyes, foaming at the mouth and increasing hairiness, get away from them as fast as possible. (See rule immediately preceding) If you find a town which looks deserted, it’s probably for a good reason. Take the hint and stay away. Stay away from certain geographical locations. Such as: Amityville, Elm Street, Nilbog, Transylvania, the Bermuda Triangle or any small town in Maine. If your car runs out of gas late at night, don’t go to the nearby deserted looking house to call for help. Likewise if your car has broken down, and the only refuge for miles is that creepy old mansion/castle on the hill, STAY IN THE CAR. If you are traveling with friends, never let any hitch hikers into the van with you. It’ll be the worst (if not the last) day of your life. If you are running away from the killer/monster, don’t even try to start the car. It doesn’t matter if the car is brand new, it won’t start. If you are being chased, never lean against the wall when you think you lost him. He’ll just pop through and kill you. Same goes for leaning against the window. When you have the benefit of numbers, NEVER pair off or go alone. If you are a woman, never undress and take a shower in slow motion. The first woman to either lose or remove her clothing is dead. The guy with the testosterone overdose is next. Along with the guy that is always making jokes. Beware of strangers bearing tools such as chainsaws, staple guns, hedge trimmers, electric carving knives, lawnmowers, butane torches, smoldering irons, band saws or any device made from deceased companions. If you see a burly man wearing a hockey mask and toting a chainsaw, DO NOT stick around to see if he’s with the local NHL team. Never baby-sit. There are enough babysitter-in-danger-thanks-to-a-stupid-killer flicks out there already. If you ARE stupid enough to baby-sit, never try on the mom’s nightgown collection. You’ll only end up showing more skin. Remember: Skin=Death. If you are at your Senior prom, and the school reject has just won prom queen, slowly back away and run for the exit. All hell is about to break loose. If you live in Maine and your hometown includes a clown driving a car he calls Christine with a large, rabid St. Bernard in the backseat, while residing in an old, haunted hotel near a strange Pet Semetary and hangs out with teenage girls with telekinetic powers… forget it, it’s already too late.
 
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rocklobster:
Especially when she hypocritically says it’s okay to read Tolkein and C.S. Lewis, like many detractors do. 👍
I’d request that you know what you are talking about before you write.

Gandalf and the other “wizards” are angelic beings… that is the origin of their powers. Men who practice necromancy/wizardry are evil in Middle Earth.

Tolkien’s creation story is AINULINDALE - The Music of the Ainur.
"There was Eru, the ONE, who in Arda is called Illúvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he was glad. But for a long while they sang only each alone, or but few together, while the rest hearkened; for each comprehended only that part of the mind of Illúvatar from which he came, and in the understanding of their brethren they grew but slowly. Yet ever as they listened they came to deeper understanding, and increased in unison and harmony.

And it came to pass that Illúvatar called together all the Ainur and declared to them a mighty theme, unfolding to them things greater and more wonderful that he had yet revealed; and they glory of its beginning and the splendour of its end amazed the Ainur, so that they bowed before Illúvatar and were silent.

Then Illúvatar said to them: ‘Of the theme that I have declared to you, I will now that ye make in harmony together a Great Music. And since I have kindled you with the Flame Imperishable, ye shall show forth your powers in adorning this theme, each with his own thoughts and devices, if he will. But I will sit and hearken, and be glad that through you great beauty has been wakened into song.’

Then the voices of the Ainur, like unto harps and lutes, and pipes and trumpets, and viols and organs, and like unto countless choirs singing with words, began to fashion the theme of Illúvatar to a great music; and a sound arose of endless interchanging melodies woven in a harmony that passed beyond hearing into the depths and into the heights, and the places of the dwelling of Illúvatar were filled to overflowing, and the music and the echo of the music went out into the Void, and it was not void. Never since have the Ainur made any music like to this music, though it has been said that a greater still shall be made before Illúvatar by the choirs of the Ainur and the Children of Illúvatar after the end of days. Then the themes of Illúvatar shall be played aright, and take Being in the moment of their utterance, for all shall then understand fully his intent in their part, and each shall know the comprehension of each, and Illúvatar shall give to their thoughts the secret fire, being well pleased.

But now Illúvatar sat and hearkened, and for a great while it seemed good to him, for in the music there were no flaws. But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Illúvatar; for he sought therein to increase the power and glory of the part assigned to himself. To Melkor among the Ainur had been given the greatest gifts of his brethren. He had gone often alone into the void places seeking the Imperishable Flame; for desire grew hot within him to bring into Being things of his own and it seemed to him that Illúvatar took no thought for the Void, and he was impatient of its emptiness. Yet he found not the Fire, for it is with Illúvatar. But being alone he had begun to conceive thoughts of his own unlike those of his brethren.
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Some of these thoughts he now wove into his music, and straightaway discord arose about him, and many that sang nigh him grew despondent, and their thought was disturbed and their music faltered; but some began to attune their music to his rather than to the thought which they had at first. Then the discord of Melkor spread ever wider, and the melodies which had been heard before foundered in a sea of turbulent sound. But Illúvatar sat and hearkened until it seemed that about his throne there was a raging storm, as of dark waters that made war one upon another in an endless wrath that would not be assuaged.

Then Illúvatar arose, and the Ainur perceived that he smiled; and he lifted up his left hand, and anew theme began amid the storm, like and yet unlike to the former theme, and it gathered power and had new beauty. But the discord of Melkor rose in uproar and contended with it, and again there was a war of sound more violent that before, until many of the Ainur were dismayed and sang no longer, and Melkor had the mastery. Then again Illúvatar arose, and the Ainur perceived that his countenance was stern; and he lifted up his right hand, and behold! A third theme grew amid the confusion, and it was unlike the others. For it seemed at first soft and sweet, a mere rippling of gentle sounds in delicate melodies; but it could not be quenched, and it took to itself power and profundity. And it seemed at last that there was two musics progressing at one time before the seat of Illúvatar, and they were utterly at variance. The one was deep and wide and beautiful but slow and blended with an immeasurable sorrow, from which its beauty chiefly came. The other had now achieved a unity of its own; but it was loud, and vain, and endlessly repeated; and it had little harmony, but rather a clamorous unison as of many trumpets braying upon a few notes. And it was essayed to drown the other music by the violence of its voice, but it seemed that its most triumphant notes were taken by the other and woven into its own solemn pattern.

In the midst of this strife, where as the halls of Illúvatar shook and a tremor ran out into the silences yet unmoved, Illúvatar arose a third time, and his face was terrible to behold. Then he raised up both his hands, and in one chord, deeper than the Abyss, higher than the Firmament, piercing as light of the eye of Illúvatar, the Music ceased.

Then Illúvatar spoke, and he said: ‘Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor; but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Illúvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, that ye may see what ye have done. And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.’

Then the Ainur were afraid, and they did not yet comprehend the words that were said to them; and Melkor was filled with shame, of which came secret anger. But Illúvatar arose in splendour, and he went forth from the fair regions that he had made for the Ainur; and the Ainur followed him.

But when they were come into the Void, Illúvatar said to them: ‘Behold your Music!’ And he showed to them a vision, giving to them sight where before was only hearing; and they say a new World made visible before them, and it was globed amid the Void, and it was sustained therein, but was not of it. And as they looked and wondered this World began to unfold its history, and it seemed to them that it lived and grew. And when the Ainur had gazed for a while and were silent, Illúvatar said again: ‘Behold your Music! This is your minstrelsy; and each of you shall find contained therein, amid the design that I set before you, all those things which it may seem that he himself devised or added. And thou, Melkor, wilt discover all the secret thoughts of thy mind, and wilt perceive that they are but a part of the whole and tributary to its glory.’ "
 
Harry Potter is the devil. If a priest from the Vatican says that the devil is hiding behind those books, then I’d tell the whole congregation not to read those cursed books.
 
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slyboots:
I would have to ban Narnia, Lord of the Rings, all of Grimm’s fairy tales, and Hans Christian Anderson, Greek and Roman myths…Hercules? Icarus? Midas? And legends of the West…King Arthur…Merlin? Beowolf?
Shakepeare? Pretty racy. Romeo and Juliet, Mark Twain, The Diaries of Adam and Eve !!! The Good Little Boy!! Huck Finn!Hawthorne, Washington Irving, Poe, Bierce, Blackwood, Machen…Bradbury, Heinlein, Asimov… Star Wars…all gone.
I was unaware of those stories MAIN CHARACTER being a boy who practiced witchcraft with his young friends.

(Target audience for Harry Potter books: young boys and girls.)

I guess I learn something new everyday on these forums.
 
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Hildebrand:
I was unaware of those stories MAIN CHARACTER being a boy who practiced witchcraft with his young friends.

(Target audience for Harry Potter books: young boys and girls.)

I guess I learn something new everyday on these forums.
Those books are about imaginary people and creatures in imaginary situations (aside from Adam and Eve). Just as is Harry Potter.
Harry Potter is alive because of sacrificial love on the part of his mom. Harry is learning about the difference between good and evil as he grows. If you have read “The Half Blood Prince” you can see plainly that the sides are becoming clearer. Voldemort and his followers, the Death eaters, are evil…And those against him are not. And once again someone dies to protect Harry. Do the kids rely on magic to get what they want? Yeah. Does it always work out the way they want? Nope. If I had read Harry Potter when I was a kid would I have wished I could do magic? For sure. I wished I had a magic mirror like in Snow White. I wished I had a fairy Godmother like Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. I wished there was really a Merlin, a Lady of the Lake and Avalon. I wished there were really noble Elves as in Tolkien’s books.
Do I wish there was a “higher power” in the Potter books? Absolutely. Do I think it’s necessary for there to be one? No.
Yes, some children will miss the point and identify with Malfoy and Voldemort. But no more than there were who wished they had Maleficent’s power from Sleeping Beauty.
Our Holy Father did not condemn the books. I read the letter from the woman in Germany and his reply as well. He had not read them and made no such judgement of them.
I have always prayed for discernment of spirits. God has been good to me in this regard. The Potter books are not evil. Not anymore than the other literature I cited.
 
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