'Harry Potter and yoga are evil', says Catholic Church exorcist

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The pope has stated NUMEROUS times condemning Harry Potter. Just do a simple google search…
No, he really hasn’t. Perhaps you should do the “simple google search” that clarifies the pope’s statements. Or better yet, read the other posts in this very topic, as we have been over this already. He was cited in a misleading way and in reality was in no way condemning HP.
Part of the reason it is so dangerous is because some of the magic performed in the movie is real. Yes, just as real as Satan himself.
A simple lie. None of it is real. Always people make this claim, but after all the pages in this thread, no one making the claim has provided us with just one spell that real witches really use. Why? Because it’s just not true.
 
Even if you say that A Landscape With Dragons wasn’t criticized will by the famous DGDavidson quote, I have heard the man speak himself on the subject.

Honesty, I didn’t like it. I wrote two whole posts tearing apart the things he said on the famed anti-Potter episode of Women of Grace. If the things he said in that show are anywhere close to what he wrote in Landscape, then I think I have good enough reason to take O’ Brien’s literary opinions with a very large salt shaker.
Please post a link to the actual show please so I can listen to it.

You’ve used DGDavidson’s assessment on other topics in the past (four to be exact). It’s okay you disagree with O’Brien. You should have checked your facts first to see if what was written was true.

A friendly reminder to both sides of this discussion.

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It’s sad to see so many people go to great lengths to attempt to discredit these claims. It may also be worth to note Pope Benedict has said the same things about Harry Potter before.
The pope has stated NUMEROUS times condemning Harry Potter. Just do a simple google search…
No he didn’t:

jimmyakin.org/2005/07/pre16_on_harry_.html

jimmyakin.org/2005/07/lifesitenews_ca.html

I think this may literally be the fourth time I’ve posted these links on this thread. People need to get their facts straight.
An exorcist that has performed thousands of exorcisms, the pope, and many other warnings, yet we still don’t heed them? If Jesus himself came down and said the same thing would you discredit him? This is pathetic, frankly. Have some faith in our leaders!
What’s pathetic is this paranoid, irrational, and reactionary implication that Fr. Amorth somehow has given us Jesus’ opinion on Harry Potter. :rolleyes:

I think I’ll stick with the evidence, thanks.
Actually, I don’t, and neither would it be necessary. A clear description of any length would be sufficient. The origin of magic in Harry Potter is the deus ex machina of the entire series, that nobody wants to address not even Rowlings.

You’re way too committed to this whole magic thing, if you take personal offense over it.
I still say the fact that Harry Potter “magic” is inherently and absolutely non-transferable to Muggles is clear evidence that it’s innate/natural rather than occultic/obtained through sorcery. If it were the latter, there’d be no reason whatsoever for anyone in the series to be unable to access it, yet Muggles and Squibs categorically cannot do so.
Part of the reason it is so dangerous is because some of the magic performed in the movie is real. Yes, just as real as Satan himself.

pacinst.com/witch.htm
None of the magic in Harry Potter is real. If you’d check out the earlier part of this thread, that claim was debunked thoroughly and its absurdity irrefutably established.

And that link is ridiculous. For instance, “Circe” and “Hermes” are not names of “real demons.” Hermes is a Greek god, and Circe is a goddess Odysseus meets in Homer’s Odyssey. Plenty of great Christian stories borrow from pre-Christian ancient mythologies. One might as well say that Lewis’ Narnia series has “real demons” in it because the Roman god Bacchus is a character.
 
Actually, I don’t, and neither would it be necessary. A clear description of any length would be sufficient. The origin of magic in Harry Potter is the deus ex machina of the entire series, that nobody wants to address not even Rowlings.
Nobody addresses the origins of magic in fairy tales either and yet you don’t complain about people reading these to their children.

If anyone’s obsessed here, it’s you who can’t seem to sleep well at night over this series because you can’t make a simple, common sense presupposition.

Lots of fantasy stories and games don’t elaborate on the origin of magic. Magic just exists. Period. It’s part of their world. I don’t see you asking where magic came from in Disney’s Aladdin or Cinderella.
Luckily, you don’t have magic powers.

Anywho, where I was going concerning with the Harry Potter series was to argue that simply because people can use it, doesn’t mean they should. We are all born physical and sexual beings–that doesn’t give us free license to use these powers in any way we see fit.
Again, more apples and oranges. Stop comparing super powers to sexuality. Super/magical powers come in more stunning varieties than even physical talents can compare.

The fact that you consider me “lucky” to not have been born with magic powers just proves my point. If God decided to one day have people wake up with powers they can’t explain, without having NO explicit occult encounter, then I’d wager you’d be our world’s new Bill Stryker (or at least be an instant member of his cult). Can you really call yourself a Christian for hating people because they use something they’re born with? I don’t know what’s stopping me from assuming that you fantasize about hunting down wizards/witches, never admitting that they’re human, and only going so far as to say they are bastard children of Satan who need to be caged and constrained so that they’ll be ‘cured’.

Look, I may enjoy the thought of having those powers, I may make heavy use of them, but the fact remains I didn’t ask for them. It’s not like sexuality where there are limited uses.

It’s closer to our physical talents but you’d be surprised, no, shocked at how much freedom we have with those. You can’t restrain magic any more than you can restrain someone from studying evolutionary biology or from being a sharpshooter.
 
Please post a link to the actual show please so I can listen to it.

You’ve used DGDavidson’s assessment on other topics in the past (four to be exact). It’s okay you disagree with O’Brien. You should have checked your facts first to see if what was written was true.

A friendly reminder to both sides of this discussion.

News Forum Rules:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=516655
My Critique
Part 1
Part 2

You can find the video in the original thread.
 
The pope has stated NUMEROUS times condemning Harry Potter. Just do a simple google search…
A simple google search brought me Jimmy Akin on the subject. I’m sure you already know what he had to say. 😉
Part of the reason it is so dangerous is because some of the magic performed in the movie is real. Yes, just as real as Satan himself.

pacinst.com/witch.htm
A simple lie. None of it is real. Always people make this claim, but after all the pages in this thread, no one making the claim has provided us with just one spell that real witches really use. Why? Because it’s just not true.
Allow me to demonstrate.

waves imaginary wand

Accio coffee!!

nothing happens

Accio mango float!

nothing happens

Accio banana!?

nothing happens

WHERE IS MAH BREAKFAST!?!?! DX
 
Well, can’t be helped. >_<;;

But you have my word. I watched. I didn’t like it.
I got that impression, but unfortunately it doesn’t help me as I have no way of hearing the other side for comparison.

Like I said, I have no problem with you disagreeing with O’Brien.
 
I got that impression, but unfortunately it doesn’t help me as I have no way of hearing the other side for comparison.

Like I said, I have no problem with you disagreeing with O’Brien.
It’s not so much about disagreeing as it is about proving the man’s lack of credibility in making honest, intelligent criticism of fantasy literature.

P.S.

They probably have a DVD with that episode out already. Maybe you could just order it online or something.
And that link is ridiculous. For instance, “Circe” and “Hermes” are not names of “real demons.” Hermes is a Greek god, and Circe is a goddess Odysseus meets in Homer’s Odyssey. Plenty of great Christian stories borrow from pre-Christian ancient mythologies. One might as well say that Lewis’ Narnia series has “real demons” in it because the Roman god Bacchus is a character.
Not to mention that site also has another article calling our Pope the anti-Christ. kesto, please refrain from linking to fringe fundamentalist pages. These are against forum rules too you know.
 
The pope has stated NUMEROUS times condemning Harry Potter. Just do a simple google search…

Part of the reason it is so dangerous is because some of the magic performed in the movie is real. Yes, just as real as Satan himself.

pacinst.com/witch.htm
It has been a hectic Christmas so far. So does that mean I can use one of those spells to help me in some of the post Christmas day clearing up?

Come on please, that is not true and the Pope saying that is also untrue.
 
It has been a hectic Christmas so far. So does that mean I can use one of those spells to help me in some of the post Christmas day clearing up?

Come on please, that is not true and the Pope saying that is also untrue.
I’ve said this plenty times, I’ll say it again now, and I’ll probably say this a dozen more times in the future so long as people can’t tell fantasy from reality:

If the magic in fantasy were real, the Church would either be…

A.) Dead because Christianity wouldn’t have survived the onslaught past the medieval century. (Thinking that Jesus would somehow swoop down with his angels to aid us won’t help either seeing as it just makes the whole of humanity out as puppets in a war between two deities.)

B.) Redefining the definition of magic and trying to incorporate it as well reconcile with its principles in the same way we had reconciled with evolution, the big bang etc. (This would probably bring forth another Renaissance as it were, with the Church playing an interesting part in using magic to advance civilization. Personally, I find it a better premise than A.)
 
Nobody addresses the origins of magic in fairy tales either and yet you don’t complain about people reading these to their children.
You seem to be forgetting what made us question the origins of magic, to begin with.

My problem concerning the occult/magic in the Harry Potter series is twofold: (1) it is the product of an unchanged ‘adaption’ of the Western European witchcraft folklore where (1a) power comes from the Father of Lies; (2) it is written using the novel format, and more specifically the bildungsroman–which is a genre particularly effective at uniting the reader’s sympathies with the character’s progress.

As previously discussed, there is no comparison when a story takes the form of myth/legend/epic/&c. (c.f. 2) or there is a novel where the origin of the re-adapted Western European witchcraft folklore is explained (c.f. 1/1a).
If anyone’s obsessed here, it’s you who can’t seem to sleep well at night over this series because you can’t make a simple, common sense presupposition.
I’m actually quite bored–yes: surprise, surprise considering the volume of my online posting. You see, I’m awaiting the beginning of my Army contract, and I find posting here an engaging semi-intellectual exercise to bide my remaining time.

But, in my defense, you’ll note that I didn’t call anyone any names. I didn’t call you obsessed–this is something you’ve said yourself. 🙂 …and despite my sometimes sardonic, sometimes acerbic tone its you who’s begun to outright attack me and argue with ad hominems.

I would recommend, again, that you take this magic stuff less seriously. It doesn’t exist, and its not worth sacrificing charity over, OK? 🙂
Lots of fantasy stories and games don’t elaborate on the origin of magic. Magic just exists. Period. It’s part of their world. I don’t see you asking where magic came from in Disney’s Aladdin or Cinderella.
True, very true, but irrelevant to my point. I’d suggest you re-read what I’ve written more slowly, more charitably, and without looking for something to argue over. 🙂
Again, more apples and oranges. Stop comparing super powers to sexuality. Super/magical powers come in more stunning varieties than even physical talents can compare.
Here’s the deal. The Harry Potter series, according to my reading, sets up two civilizations alongside each other: one based on technology (i.e., Muggles) and one based on magic (i.e., Wizards). The former is not given an ethical free pass in terms of how it uses technology; that is, simply because we are born with en-thumbed hands and therefore natural tool users, every application of technology is not sanctioned.

No, quite the contrary–many, many restrictions are placed on the awesome power that our inventors have managed to put within the reach of the technology-using public. If you looked at the total magnitude of the power the human race wields collectively, and the total power of the average human you would probably be shocked to find out how insignificant and powerless we are.

Therefore, its not a ridiculous suggestion to ask that–despite being born with the potential to use this power–wizards/witches not use magic, if it comes from evil origins.
The fact that you consider me “lucky” to not have been born with magic powers just proves my point.
No, I actually meant to say that* I’m* lucky you don’t have magic powers. I would find that quite scary, as you seem a little vindictive and ‘obsessed,’ as you said, with this whole thing. I’m still young, and I don’t want to get dusted quite yet. :stretcher:
f God decided to one day have people wake up with powers they can’t explain, without having NO explicit occult encounter, then I’d wager you’d be our world’s new Bill Stryker (or at least be an instant member of his cult). Can you really call yourself a Christian for hating people because they use something they’re born with? I don’t know what’s stopping me from assuming that you fantasize about hunting down wizards/witches, never admitting that they’re human, and only going so far as to say they are bastard children of Satan who need to be caged and constrained so that they’ll be ‘cured’.
haha, you’re now assailing my Christianity because you disagree with my argument (which you’ve completely misunderstood, by the way) about Harry Potter?! Are you serious?
Look, I may enjoy the thought of having those powers, I may make heavy use of them, but the fact remains I didn’t ask for them. It’s not like sexuality where there are limited uses.

It’s closer to our physical talents but you’d be surprised, no, shocked at how much freedom we have with those. You can’t restrain magic any more than you can restrain someone from studying evolutionary biology or from being a sharpshooter.
I actually used sexuality as a interchangeable or of equal value with technology–see my argument regarding technology above. That is, we have freedom in how we exercise it, and simply because we have it does not mean that all of its applications are ethically condoned–much like sexuality or being a sharpshooter. But because, like being an engineer, or a lover, or a sharpshooter, is a choice that we make from God-given freedom and God-given ability, it follows that God will judge us by them.

Therefore it remains to be proven how the power of the wizard civilization of the Harry Potter series differs from the power of wizards/witches in the folklore tradition that J. K. Rowlings lifted it from. You have to admit, she could have done something to ease these misunderstandings, if she had an ounce of concern for her Christian audience.
 
I still say the fact that Harry Potter “magic” is inherently and absolutely non-transferable to Muggles is clear evidence that it’s innate/natural rather than occultic/obtained through sorcery. If it were the latter, there’d be no reason whatsoever for anyone in the series to be unable to access it, yet Muggles and Squibs categorically cannot do so.
I see what you’re doing here, and I do appreciate you treating my points (rather than attacking me like some other posters haha) and reasoning analogically with the Western European folklore tradition, to try to show how J. K. Rowlings does provide some separation or difference (i.e., its not transferable to Muggles, and therefore doesn’t appear like the ‘gift of power’ offered by Satan).

I agree that this does provide separation from the original tradition worthy of consideration, but doesn’t necessarily rule out what’s at stake. What’s at stake is the origin of magic/power in the witchcraft folklore tradition: that magic comes from the Devil, plain and simple.

That’s nothing to sneeze at, and J. K. Rowlings–despite everything–does precious little to establish the difference/separation between her Anglo and European witch/wizard world and those operating under the aegis of Satan. That’s the alpha and the omega of my beef with the Harry Potter series on the ‘occult’ topic, and it would need only a tiny bit of clarification to fix on the part of the author.
 
The pope has stated NUMEROUS times condemning Harry Potter. Just do a simple google search…

Part of the reason it is so dangerous is because some of the magic performed in the movie is real. Yes, just as real as Satan himself.

pacinst.com/witch.htm
Nope. No he has not. The magic is most definitely NOT real.
No, he really hasn’t. Perhaps you should do the “simple google search” that clarifies the pope’s statements. Or better yet, read the other posts in this very topic, as we have been over this already. He was cited in a misleading way and in reality was in no way condemning HP.

A simple lie. None of it is real. Always people make this claim, but after all the pages in this thread, no one making the claim has provided us with just one spell that real witches really use. Why? Because it’s just not true.
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Exactly. You won’t be able to though, because the Pope never condemned HP. Ever.
A simple google search brought me Jimmy Akin on the subject. I’m sure you already know what he had to say. 😉

Allow me to demonstrate.

waves imaginary wand

Accio coffee!!

nothing happens

Accio mango float!

nothing happens

Accio banana!?

nothing happens

WHERE IS MAH BREAKFAST!?!?! DX
Yeah, did not work for me either. I had a heck of a mess to clean up after Christmas dinner, and nothing worked except old fashioned soap, water, dishcloth, and trash bags. Darn. .
 
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