Harry Potter Confusion

[Monarchy]

Arlene Alice:

Monarchy:

There’s no use talking sense to someone who won’t do some research. I’ve provided loads of links on this thread, plus invited folks to get out their Catechisms on magic, their Bible Concordance on magic, and their Bibles on magic.

Magic is in the realm of the imagination. I could try and cast the biggest baddest spell I could find and nothing will happen. As an Atheist, I give very little regard to what the bible says about magic, as it was written by men 2000 years ago.

Satan used “mind control” on our first parents who were granted free will to accept or reject satan’s wiley, snares. YE SHALL BE AS GODS! Hah! That’s what the New Age magic proposes.

In the story, Satan is a fast talker, and may have talked Eve into eating the forbidden fruit, But if he took over her mind then she is not answerable to crimes she did not conciously commit

You have free will to accept or reject the Church’s teachings on magic/witchcraft/sorcery/divination/spells/satan worship, etc. - all the occult practices that the Church declares are for REAL.

Maybe real in practice, but not in reality.

If you want to further argue the point, take it up with Rome…or continue to linger in “la-la” land!

Comment withheld…

 

[Arlene_Alice]

Monarchy:

From “The Quotable Fulton J. Sheen” {Image Press}

Atheism is nihilism; Godlessness is nothingness.

Atheism is the emptiness of idolatry.

Atheism posits a new god, namely Man.

There are two kinds of atheism; the atheism of the right, which professes to love God and ignore neighbor; and the atheism of the left, which professes to love neighbor and ignores God.

Today’s atheism is not passive, like the old-fashioned atheism, which allowed believers to exist alongside of it; it is now militant, active, political, proselytizing, and communistic.

The new atheism is not of the intellect, but of the will; it is an act of free and eager rejection of morality and its demands. It starts with the affirmation of self and the denial of the moral law.

We do not have to fear atomic bombs; but we do have to fear godless men.

The most perverse atheist can love Godlessness only because such an idea seems good.

The atheist is properly defined as the person who has no invisible means of support.

And the best one…

The modern atheist is always angered when he hears anything said about God and religion - he would be incapable of such a resentment if God were only a myth.

I suppose that’s why we find you proselytizing here in a Catholic Forum. Yes?

 

[cnelms]

Our eight year old is a fan of HP. She is advanced and realizes the difference between fact and fiction. My wife and I read the first three books prior to her reading them. While Rowling’s writing style is far from that of Tolkien (and probably shouldn’t be compared in the same sentence) her content is much more readable than Tolkein’s for a young reader.

The stories are compelling enough to be interesting to young readers. It seems to me that any reasonable fiction/fantasy that diverts my young one’s attention away from the TV is a good thing. These stories and characters conect with their demographic like nothing thats come along in a while. If that is enough to introduce young readers to a love of the written word, then Rowling has done the younger generation a great service.

Peace -

 

[Shiann]

Arlene Alice:

Monarchy:

From “The Quotable Fulton J. Sheen” {Image Press}

Atheism is nihilism; Godlessness is nothingness.

Atheism is the emptiness of idolatry.

Atheism posits a new god, namely Man.

There are two kinds of atheism; the atheism of the right, which professes to love God and ignore neighbor; and the atheism of the left, which professes to love neighbor and ignores God.

Today’s atheism is not passive, like the old-fashioned atheism, which allowed believers to exist alongside of it; it is now militant, active, political, proselytizing, and communistic.

The new atheism is not of the intellect, but of the will; it is an act of free and eager rejection of morality and its demands. It starts with the affirmation of self and the denial of the moral law.

We do not have to fear atomic bombs; but we do have to fear godless men.

The most perverse atheist can love Godlessness only because such an idea seems good.

The atheist is properly defined as the person who has no invisible means of support.

And the best one…

The modern atheist is always angered when he hears anything said about God and religion - he would be incapable of such a resentment if God were only a myth.

I suppose that’s why we find you proselytizing here in a Catholic Forum. Yes?

… as far as proselytizing, I have not encountered any of the athiests here who want to convert anyone. They are up for good discussion and debate without telling any of the Catholics here they are ‘wrong’ to believe in God. In fact, more often than not the Catholics here have been the agressive ones.

But, we are not discussing atheism here. Best to leave the atheism arguments in their own threads.

 

[Arlene_Alice]

Shiann:

Monarchy stated that he was an atheist…that is why I quoted that wonderful Irishman, the late Bishop Fulton J. Sheen, on atheism. You don’t think Monarchy is proselytizing when he/she{?} poses the atheistic world view in response to our Christian world view? Read a little deeper into the posts.

Atheism is a topic indeed appropriate on this thread. So is paganism, witchcraft, New Age, etc.

For those who have tut-tutted my commentaries and don’t think there is anything to this “witchcraft” HP stuff, including Monarchy, why don’t you read the following link. This is commentary from a Catholic priest who understands the reality and dangers of witchcraft and the occult as he ministers to African pagan people. Read it and be wiser for it:
thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/archive_db.cgi?tablet-00668

 

[Monarchy]

Arlene Alice:

Monarchy:

From “The Quotable Fulton J. Sheen” {Image Press}

Atheism is nihilism; Godlessness is nothingness.

Atheism is the emptiness of idolatry.

Atheism posits a new god, namely Man.

There are two kinds of atheism; the atheism of the right, which professes to love God and ignore neighbor; and the atheism of the left, which professes to love neighbor and ignores God.

Today’s atheism is not passive, like the old-fashioned atheism, which allowed believers to exist alongside of it; it is now militant, active, political, proselytizing, and communistic.

The new atheism is not of the intellect, but of the will; it is an act of free and eager rejection of morality and its demands. It starts with the affirmation of self and the denial of the moral law.

We do not have to fear atomic bombs; but we do have to fear godless men.

The most perverse atheist can love Godlessness only because such an idea seems good.

The atheist is properly defined as the person who has no invisible means of support.

And the best one…

The modern atheist is always angered when he hears anything said about God and religion - he would be incapable of such a resentment if God were only a myth.

I suppose that’s why we find you proselytizing here in a Catholic Forum. Yes?

Wow, what a wonderful refutation of my argument…Oh wait…You saw the word ATHEIST and couldn’t contain your bigotry…

I will not discuss Atheism here as it is OT, but I will gladly discuss it with you in the non-catholic discussion forum, let me know if you wish to and I will start a thread. I will say a few things However:

I am not here proselytizing. I dodn’t care if you’re Roman Catholic, Buddist, Baptist, or Wiccan. It doesn’t matter to me in the least. I am here to speak up when I see things set as absoulute truth that are nothing of the sort. The same way a Catholic might post on a board claiming that Catholics practice Mary worship.

You say there is such things as magic. The James Randi Education Foundation offers something for you if you can prove it. A quote from their website:

“At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.”

 

[Monarchy]

Arlene Alice:

Atheism is a topic indeed appropriate on this thread.

How?

For those who have tut-tutted my commentaries and don’t think there is anything to this “witchcraft” HP stuff, including Monarchy, why don’t you read the following link. This is commentary from a Catholic priest who understands the reality and dangers of witchcraft and the occult as he ministers to African pagan people. Read it and be wiser for it:

Hearsay, any physical proof? See my other post about James Randi.

 

[Arlene_Alice]

Monarchy:

Notify the missionary priest in Africa, he might win the contest.

You can’t prove there is no god, so why challenge others to prove that there is a god?

If you are a nihilist who believes in nothing, why get involved with people who believe in something? Actually, you should really go out of your way to avoid us and live in the peaceful void of nihilism.

Or was Bishop Fulton Sheen right when he stated…

“The modern atheist is always angered when he hears anything said about God and religion - he would be incapable of such a resentment if God were only a myth.”

Has your anger and resentment brought you to these boards to proselytize your belief in nothing?

P.S. There is a host in Lanciano, Chieti, Italy, dating back to the 8th Century, that has been revered since that time because the host miraculously turned into visible flesh - heart muscle and blood - which scientists have tested several times [the last time in l971] for its authenticity. It is there for the public to view in an ornate silver monstrance. Read about this and many other “paranormal” Eucharistic event in the book, "Eucharistic Miracles, by Joan Caroll Kruz [TAN books] The Church also houses many "uncorruptible bodies of Saints, such as St. Bernadette of the Lourdes miracle. Read the book: “Uncorruptibles” by the same author. I recommend that you visit these European shrines and see for yourself. Seeing might be believing. ???

 

[Anne_Carmel]

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