Harry Potter. Sin or no?

[niceatheist]

But why play with fire and mess around with Harry Pooter’s magic spells and all of these magic tricks? Fr. Ripperger stated he LITERALLY COMMUNICATED with a demon and asked how it possessed a person and he said harry potter. Harry Potter is just a bunch of black magic (even if it is fake magic guess what? it still promotes magic and heavily influences the youth) in a movie for “entertainment”.

Then I’m afraid he is mistaken. There is barely any real Latin in HP. This is nothing more than an appeal to authority and I even question your source’s authority.

If you don’t want to read HP, that is entirely up to you, but these tiresome attacks, many which seem either paranoid or bizarre, are deeply unfair. And as I said elsewhere, magic is a significant part of European literature, even in the Christian period. You might as well call Sleeping Beauty, Hansel and Gretel or Snow White, or heck, Cinderella demonic because all these traditional stories contain witches or faery god mothers who exhibit magic, even sorcerous powers.

 

[dallas_r]

I watched the full video. He has great points, however, you have misunderstood what he was saying about the woman’s house burning down. He said there was a fire in the woman’s house and she used a harry potter magic spell. She didn’t grab a bucket of water, she just said a spell hoping it would go away. By doing this, she put her trust in a false security which is not Christ. Pope Francis makes it very clear to not put our trust in false securities such as magic, spells, horoscopes, and palm readings. Fr. Ripperger makes very good points in the video, but after all, it is your choice to acknowledge the facts he stated.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

He said there was a fire in the woman’s house and she used a harry potter magic spell. She didn’t grab a bucket of water, she just said a spell hoping it would go away.

Curious. The story usually goes that she started a fire using using a spell.

 

[dallas_r]

Pardon my misunderstanding lol

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

He said there was a fire in the woman’s house and she used a harry potter magic spell. She didn’t grab a bucket of water, she just said a spell hoping it would go away.

This is a clear case of mental illness. Point blank. To blame it on a book is ludicrousness. One can attribute just about anything to a work of fiction. I mean, did she also try and click her heels together 3 times and say “no place like home?”

Quite frankly, this is entirely concerning that an exorcist priest would not dismiss an act of mental illness outright, rather than make a claim about trusting God.

There seems to be a large case of false equivalency towards what occurred with Ripperger and the rightful concerns of the Pope. The Pope’s message IS important, but his message dosn’t give any more weight to the comments of someomeone who’s jumping at his own shadow.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

I recall a former Evangelical referring to fundamentalists quipping, “No fun and no mental,” and this is a good example of that: No fun, no reading a work of fiction. And no mental, you can’t read it because I’ve heard it’s bad and I can’t be bothered to verify it for myself before using my authority as a priest and teaching this to the faithful.

Fr. Ripperger and his fans strike me as a case of cult of personality and too often something dodgy comes out about the priest. Hopefully, misleading his fans about HP is the worst he does.

 

[Lovinglight]

Are Catholics allowed to read Harry Potter/watch the movies?

Is it a sin?

I choose to listen to the advice of certian FSSP and stay away from it and things like it.

 

[Hope1960]

Can you give examples of fundamentalism that’s entering Catholicism?

 

[Lovinglight]

If u think its alright by your conscience to get into occult fiction…then by all means thats up to u.

However…

Its not illogical to follow the advice of a Priest who knows what he is talking about on all things Catholic.

 

[niceatheist]

If u think its alright by your conscience to get into occult fiction…then by all means thats up to u.

However…

Its not illogical to follow the advice of a Priest who knows what he is talking about on all things Catholic.

And once again, it isn’t occult. The “spells” are pig Latin or muddled up Latin phrases. Your source is spouting nonsense, and frankly, at this point, looking at Ripperger, Priest or not, this looks suspiciously like a very cultish admiration for a man who looks to be a pretty extreme Traditionalist. As with Father Gabriel Amorth, he has his dedicated following, but in no way does he appear to represent official Church positions on Harry Potter, since the Church has no official position on Harry Potter.

When you can point out an actual magic spell in HP, you let me know.

 

[Lovinglight]

Lovinglight:

If u think its alright by your conscience to get into occult fiction…then by all means thats up to u.

However…

Its not illogical to follow the advice of a Priest who knows what he is talking about on all things Catholic.

And once again, it isn’t occult. The “spells” are pig Latin or muddled up Latin phrases. Your source is spouting nonsense, and frankly, at this point, looking at Ripperger, Priest or not, this looks suspiciously like a very cultish admiration for a man who looks to be a pretty extreme Traditionalist. As with Father Gabriel Amorth, he has his dedicated following, but in no way does he appear to represent official Church positions on Harry Potter, since the Church has no official position on Harry Potter.

When you can point out an actual magic spell in HP, you let me know.

It doesnt matter if the spells are real or not. Its genre is occult in nature is it not?

I admire and respect Fr. Ripperger and the FSSP in general. I choose to follow their advice over your preferences for defending these occult books by any of your standards.

 

[niceatheist]

It doesnt matter if the spells are real or not. Its genre is occult in nature is it not?

No, not by any definition of the occult that i’ve seen. The “occultish” elements in HP, specifically the Death Eaters, are the evil guys. It’s kind of like how the Jedis in Star Wars only use their powers for good, but the Sith use it for domination and murder, or how the good Elves and Ainur in Tolkien’s mythos use their inherent powers for good, but the bad guys like Sauron use their native powers for domination and evil.

I admire and respect Fr. Ripperger and the FSSP in general. I choose to follow their advice over your preferences for defending these occult books by any of your standards.

And when you can demonstrate that they’re occult, you let me know.

 

[Lovinglight]

Lovinglight:

It doesnt matter if the spells are real or not. Its genre is occult in nature is it not?

No, not by any definition of the occult that i’ve seen. The “occultish” elements in HP, specifically the Death Eaters, are the evil guys. It’s kind of like how the Jedis in Star Wars only use their powers for good, but the Sith use it for domination and murder, or how the good Elves and Ainur in Tolkien’s mythos use their inherent powers for good, but the bad guys like Sauron use their native powers for domination and evil.

I admire and respect Fr. Ripperger and the FSSP in general. I choose to follow their advice over your preferences for defending these occult books by any of your standards.

And when you can demonstrate that they’re occult, you let me know.

I already did! The whole trilogy is occult in nature! Whether its fake spells or real spells.

Whats so hard for u to understand about that?

“The Harry Potter books by J.K. Rowling chronicle the life of boy wizard Harry Potter as he struggles against the evil Lord Voldemort.”

 

[Lovinglight]

“Scare words” lol does the truth of the harry potter trilogy being called occult fiction scare u?

It IS occult fiction!

And speaking for myself i follow the advice of ppl who know what theyre talking about on all matters pertaining to the occult. If u dont respect or agree with them or my willingness to follow that advice. Its not my problem.

Im not the only Catholic along with a million protestant Christians who feel that way about harry potter.

 

[Lovinglight]

Obviously LOTR trilogy is occult fiction as well.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

“Scare words” lol does the truth of the harry potter trilogy being called occult fiction scare u?

It IS occult fiction!

And speaking for myself i follow the advice of ppl who know what theyre talking about on all matters pertaining to the occult. If u dont respect or agree with them or my willingness to follow that advice. Its not my problem.

Im not the only Catholic along with a million protestant Christians who feel that way about harry potter.

The issue is that some of Fr. R’s key examples are not about occult at all, but about someone with a clear mental illness.

You think that the Catholic Church would approve of someone sitting in a house burning down and praying to God about it and doing nothing else? Absolutely not. The Church would respectfully declare a mental illness in this individual.

Yet a singular priest can say “well she tried a Harry Potter spell” and declare it mistrust of God? What??? Do you not see how utterly foolish and dangerous this is…and not because of the occult? Attributing mental illness to a legitimate action of the occult makes it seem much less dangerous than it actually is.

According to the Vatican, all psychological issues must be ruled out before demonic activity is considered. So why is an “advanced” exorcist going off of a situation that clearly involves mental illness? Something dosn’t pass the sniff test.

His other claim is “a devil told him so” which is hardly rock-solid. Even when commanded to speak the truth by the power of Christ devils have still be know to lie. So that should be dismissed as probably inaccurate. And a good exorcist should know that. A good exorcist would NOT repeat words of a demon.

Other than those incidents the Father’s knowledge is based on off-hand falsehoods.

No doubt he has done some good for the world–but not every word is to be held as gold.

 

[theCardinalbird]

:dizzy_face:What is truth

 

[Lovinglight]

Lovinglight:

“Scare words” lol does the truth of the harry potter trilogy being called occult fiction scare u?

It IS occult fiction!

And speaking for myself i follow the advice of ppl who know what theyre talking about on all matters pertaining to the occult. If u dont respect or agree with them or my willingness to follow that advice. Its not my problem.

Im not the only Catholic along with a million protestant Christians who feel that way about harry potter.

The issue is that some of Fr. R’s key examples are not about occult at all, but about someone with a clear mental illness.

You think that the Catholic Church would approve of someone sitting in a house burning down and praying to God about it and doing nothing else? Absolutely not. The Church would respectfully declare a mental illness in this individual.

Yet a singular priest can say “well she tried a Harry Potter spell” and declare it mistrust of God? What??? Do you not see how utterly foolish and dangerous this is…and not because of the occult? Attributing mental illness to a legitimate action of the occult makes it seem much less dangerous than it actually is.

According to the Vatican, all psychological issues must be ruled out before demonic activity is considered. So why is an “advanced” exorcist going off of a situation that clearly involves mental illness? Something dosn’t pass the sniff test.

His other claim is “a devil told him so” which is hardly rock-solid. Even when commanded to speak the truth by the power of Christ devils have still be know to lie. So that should be dismissed as probably inaccurate. And a good exorcist should know that. A good exorcist would NOT repeat words of a demon.

Other than those incidents the Father’s knowledge is based on off-hand falsehoods.

No doubt he has done some good for the world–but not every word is to be held as gold.

Hes better than Fr. Martin and the progressives far as theology goes. I fully trust his opinions on any matter especially in light of everything thats happening within the Church.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Hes better than Fr. Martin and the progressives far as theology goes. I fully trust his opinions on any matter especially in light of everything thats happening within the Church.

So you admit a priest can be in error but then put your full trust in a priest? Quite frankly, the Church doesn’t even approve all of the things saints say. There was a saint who declared that it was immodest for babies to be in diapers on a hot day.

One should use caution. It’s good that you are cautious about things. But it’s really bad that you are attributing something that is mental illness.

Answer this.

If a priest said someone’s house burned down because they didn’t pray and weren’t “faithful enough” would you truly trust that priest?

Your right to do so, but I would be very concerned.

 

[Lovinglight]

I have watched all the movies of the LOTR and harry potter trilogies…of course star wars as well.

U can try to label it however u want but calling LOTR and harry potter occult fiction is not ‘twisting the truth.’

1. Its fantasy based occult magic
2. Its fiction

= occult fiction.

Not very difficult to comprehend. Dont know why calling a spade a spade is so offensive to u?

If u dont believe my definition of occult fiction is applicable to those trilogies…heres the definition. Enjoy.

“Occult fiction. Definition. Used for works dealing with witchcraft, spiritualism, psychic phenomena, voodooism, etc., and for works dealing with the mysterious or secret knowledge and power supposedly attainable only through these and other magical or supernatural means.”