Harry Reid: We’ll shut down government before we shut down Planned Parenthood funding

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iamrefreshed said:
We Republicans are the party of stopping the government gravy train.
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Oh really?
Are you then for stopping the billions and billions and billions of dollars of taxpayer money being spent to support the military industrial complex that President Eisenhower was warning about. This is the military industrial comples which is being paid by taxpayer money to wage war in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and now in Libya. And of course the money being spent for the American military bases
in Afghanistan
in Belgium
in Bosnia-Herzegovina
in Bulgaria
in Germany
in Italy
in Iraq
in Japan
in Macedonia
in Kosovo
in Panama
in South Korea
in Kuwait
in Saudi Arabia
in Australia
in Israel
in Bahrain
in British Indian Ocean Territory
In Cuba
In Spain
In Guam
In Greenland
|In Qatar
In Portugal
In Turkey
If the US and various states, such as California and Wisconsin, are going broke, why do Republicans always find billions and billions and billions of taxpayer dollars to spend on wars and military bases? Isn’t this a gravy train for the military industrial complex?
 
sidbrown said:
Oh really?
Are you then for stopping the billions and billions and billions of dollars of taxpayer money being spent to support the military industrial complex that President Eisenhower was warning about. This is the military industrial comples which is being paid by taxpayer money to wage war in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and now in Libya. And of course the money being spent for the American military bases
in Afghanistan
in Belgium
in Bosnia-Herzegovina
in Bulgaria
in Germany
in Italy
in Iraq
in Japan
in Macedonia
in Kosovo
in Panama
in South Korea
in Kuwait
in Saudi Arabia
in Australia
in Israel
in Bahrain
in British Indian Ocean Territory
In Cuba
In Spain
In Guam
In Greenland
|In Qatar
In Portugal
In Turkey
If the US and various states, such as California and Wisconsin, are going broke, why do Republicans always find billions and billions and billions of taxpayer dollars to spend on wars and military bases? Isn’t this a gravy train for the military industrial complex?
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The bases we have around the world are a legacy of our leadership of the free world during the cold war. It would be hard to attack the terrorist bases around the world with no military bases. All of the billions spent on defense has had broad partisan support in congress, otherwise it never would continue. If you think we have too many bases around the world in countries that can probably defend themselves then I might be inclined to agree with you and perhaps we do spend too much and waste too much. That said, the security of America is worth spending money on isn’t it? Otherwise its possible we wouldn’t really be enjoying this spirited discussion right now. I have no idea how much could be cut while still providing for the effective defense of the U.S. Its very easy to say “we spend too much on defense” , harder to say where, what and how much we should cut. The attack on Libya will probably cost billions. I think there are people on the right who are questioning the wisdom of that endeavor from a foreign policy, strategic, and constitutional point of view.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
The bases we have around the world are a legacy of our leadership of the free world during the cold war. It would be hard to attack the terrorist bases around the world with no military bases. All of the billions spent on defense has had broad partisan support in congress, otherwise it never would continue. If you think we have too many bases around the world in countries that can probably defend themselves then I might be inclined to agree with you and perhaps we do spend too much and waste too much. That said, the security of America is worth spending money on isn’t it? Otherwise its possible we wouldn’t really be enjoying this spirited discussion right now. I have no idea how much could be cut while still providing for the effective defense of the U.S. Its very easy to say “we spend too much on defense” , harder to say where, what and how much we should cut. The attack on Libya will probably cost billions. I think there are people on the right who are questioning the wisdom of that endeavor from a foreign policy, strategic, and constitutional point of view.

Ishii
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That would be a great patriotic idea if the country wasn’t going broke. Let England, France and other European countries take turns keeping the world secure.

If it were me, I’d close a majority of those bases if not all of them. Put the money back into the country to help pay down our debt.
 
If we shut down the entire Department of Defense, all of it, we would be running a deficit. The entire DOD is about 20% of the budget. So, if we turn every landing strip into grazing land, if every ship is allowed to rust into the sea, if every member of the military goes home, we will continue to spend more than we take in.

We now borrow about 40% of our national budget. Our country cannot survive at that rate. Yes, I do think Planned Parenthood would be a wonderful place to start cutting.
 
estesbob said:
Thats not correct. It was an agreement where 7 Democrat Senators agreed to not allow filibistering of judicial nominees while 7 Republcans(McCain being one) agreeing not to vote for the “nuclear option” which would have allowed judges to be confirmed with a simple majority. There was nothing whatsoever in the agreement about confirming or not confirmig pro-life judges. In fact the agreement led to the quick confirmation of several appleate pror-life judges who were being held up by Democrat filibusters.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_14
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But the filebuster threat was if Bush put a staunch pro-life nominee up.

Jim
 
bbarrick8383 said:
So, the middle of Bush/Schwarzenegger’s first term would have been like 6 years ago, not a few.

Fine you can loathe and despise the Republican party all you want.

But, if you consider yourself an informed former Rush fan. Please stop talking about Arnold as if he is the template of the typical Republican. Because it really makes you look…uninformed, to be as charitable and honest as I can.

In other words, you never paid attention if you listened to Rush and consider Arnold the icon of all that is Republican.
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They have different practices in how they go about it, but at the end of the day, The Republican ideology espoused by both Limbaugh and Schwarzenegger can be summed up in a single sentence:

“Human beings are resources to be exploited for profit by their economic betters and any means to that end is justified.”
 
sidbrown said:
Oh really?
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The gravy train only refers to payments made to natural human persons who need the money (earned or welfare). Corporations and those who don’t need the money are the betters of natural human persons who do need the money, so giving them taxpayer money is okay. :rolleyes:
 
Whitacre_Girl said:
I’m a public sector employee. I consider myself must in line with the republican party. I disagree with them on some issues - but I agree with them on more. My husband is also public sector and republican, as well as all his coworkers.

I wouldn’t say “most” but I would say most of the higher-ups seem to be. The thing is, the conservatives are pretty quiet - usually due to necessity.

I’d love to see a work place sponsored by tax payers where the TAX PAYERS have the final say, not a union. And it would also be awesome to work in a place where incompetent workers could be let go without having to wait for them to hurt, maim, or molest someone. (Boy my hubby and I have stories about that. :rolleyes: )
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Well you are both fine examples how it is possible to wotk for the government and not need ‘protection’ from all us bad Republicans!👍
 
LCMS_No_More said:
They have different practices in how they go about it, but at the end of the day, The Republican ideology espoused by both Limbaugh and Schwarzenegger can be summed up in a single sentence:

“Human beings are resources to be exploited for profit by their economic betters and any means to that end is justified.”
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When one buys into such a bumper sticker politcal view it makes it much easier to support evil. "Well my prefered canidate may be complicit in the slaughter of 1.2 million children a year but at least he doesn’t beleive that “Human beings are resources to be exploited for profit by their economic betters and any means to that end is justified” Of course no Party expouses such a simplistic worldview but when trying to defend the indefensible any rationalization , it appears, suffices.

BTW-If puting people in charge who believed that “Human beings are resources to be exploited for profit by their economic betters and any means to that end is justified” would end abortion in this country I would do it in a millisecopnd.
 
estesbob said:
Which is why McCain joined 13 others(6 other Republicans) to assure Bush’s nominess could not be filibustered.
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Not the way I see it.

He joined the democrats to assure them that if Bush did put up a radical pro-life nominee he’d vote with the democrats to oppose.

Without the assurance of his vote on their side, they’d would’ve filibustered.

Jim
 
Can we get back to the OP article?

I’m still not able to find anything where Reid says he’ll shut down government before he votes to defund Planned Parenthood.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
not going to reveal who I voted for.
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Why? Heres my votes for president.:

McGovern, Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush,Bush,Dole,Bush, Bush , Obama.

I am not even ashamed of my first two votes. As the old saying goes “Those who are not Liberal when they are young have no heart, those who remain Liberal as they mature have no mind.”
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Can we get back to the OP article?

I’m still not able to find anything where Reid says he’ll shut down government before he votes to defund Planned Parenthood.

Jim
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Oh My! After 156 posts I re-read the article and no where does it indicate Reid said he would shut down the Governement rather that defund Planned parenthood:o. I should know better than to trust LifeSite News headlines!
 
estesbob said:
Why? Heres my votes for president.:

McGovern, Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush,Bush,Dole,Bush, Bush , Obama.

I am not even ashamed of my first two votes. As the old saying goes “Those who are not Liberal when they are young have no heart, those who remain Liberal as they mature have no mind.”
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Because I believe in the absolute confidentiality of the voting booth.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Not the way I see it.

He joined the democrats to assure them that if Bush did put up a radical pro-life nominee he’d vote with the democrats to oppose.

Without the assurance of his vote on their side, they’d would’ve filibustered.

Jim
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Thats not what the agreement he entered into said… And as I pointed out the end result was the confirmation of several Apellate Judges who were being filibustered becuause they were pro-liffe. Also in light of the fact McCain strongly supported both Alito and Roberts it is apparent your “opinion” on McCain not wanting to support pro-life judges in not correct.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
not going to reveal who I voted for.
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You wrote, " You seem to think I’m in favor of abortions and pro-choice.
I’m not, I’m very much pro-life. However, on other life issues, (Obama is) more pro-life than many who claim to be pro-life because they oppose abortion."

Sentences like the above are often used by Catholics to justify their votes for pro-abortion rights Democrats. I was just wondering if you voted for a pro-life (i.e. anti-abortion rights candidate) in 2008.

Ishii
 
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