Harry Reid: We’ll shut down government before we shut down Planned Parenthood funding

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Rich_Olszewski said:
Therefore, being a Christian doesn’t necessarily mean that one is opposed to Planned Parenthood. No small number of Christians are favorable to PP.
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But a Faithful Catholic should not support PP or abortion in anyway, either directly or indirectly.
 
Erich said:
Which country pioneered forced sterilization in the 20th century, Germany or the United States of America?

Clearly, you haven’t yet watched Maafa 21 – which convincingly makes the case that Hitler was “profoundly influenced” by American eugenicists Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard. Not only that, it points out that American eugenicists routinely praised Hitler’s ideal of racial superiority.

Margaret Sanger appointed Lothrop Stoddard as a board member of the Birth Control League (the forerunner of Planned Parenthood). Stoddard, whose writings on racial subjects were featured in Nazi school textbooks, even met personally with Adolf Hitler.

And, from this link:
In 1934 one of Hitler’s staff members wrote to Leon Whitney of the American Eugenics Society and asked in the name of the Fuhrer for a copy of Whitney’s recently published book, The Case for Sterilization. Whitney complied immediately, and shortly thereafter received a personal letter of thanks from Adolf Hitler. In his unpublished autobiography, Whitney reported a conversation he had with Madison Grant about the letter from the Fuhrer. Because he thought Grant might be interested in Hitler’s letter he showed it to him during their next meeting. Grant only smiled, reached for a folder on his desk, and gave Whitney a letter from Hitler to read. In this, Hitler thanked Grant for writing The Passing of the Great Race and said that “the book was his Bible.” Whitney concluded that, following Hitler’s actions, one could believe it.

*(*Margaret Sanger was a member of both the American Eugenics Society and the English Eugenics Society.)
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I am sure the response to this excellent information will be to mock you for proving Goodwins law.
 
iamrefreshed said:
Not when it comes to abortion. Catholic is the right word. No politics at all.😃
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Well this, I think, the correct attitude. It’s *not *about politics, it’s about the unborn. A Catholic may be left-wing as easily as right-wing, but they should oppose abortion all the same. Catholics shouldn’t have to be conservative; and nor should liberal Catholics (or anyone for that matter) support abortion.
 
Raskolnikov said:
Well this, I think, the correct attitude. It’s *not *about politics, it’s about the unborn. A Catholic may be left-wing as easily as right-wing, but they should oppose abortion all the same. Catholics shouldn’t have to be conservative; and nor should liberal Catholics (or anyone for that matter) support abortion.
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Just so. What I find wrong is the position by some Catholic conservatives that one must be a conservative to oppose abortion. One can be conservative or liberal and be pro-choice, or be conservative or liberal and be pro-life.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Just so. What I find wrong is the position by some Catholic conservatives that one must be a conservative to oppose abortion. One can be conservative or liberal and be pro-choice, or be conservative or liberal and be pro-life.
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Yes, and Christian conservatives should be wary of that position. Conservativism can be conservative and be pro-choice, and it may well be moving in that direction. The economics of Milton Friedman and the foreign policy of Charles Kratuhammer (neither is/was Christian or pro-life) are more essential to American conservativism than the pro-life position, which it will surely ditch or water down if it can gain vote more votes for its neoliberal economic agenda and neoconservative foreign policy.

Ideally, I would think it best for there to be an active pro-life foothold in both parties. And many conservatives content with their monopoly on the issue as well as pro-choice liberals shutter at that thought.
 
Raskolnikov said:
Yes, and Christian conservatives should be wary of that position. Conservativism can be conservative and be pro-choice, and it may well be moving in that direction. The economics of Milton Friedman and the foreign policy of Charles Kratuhammer (neither is/was Christian or pro-life) are more essential to American conservativism than the pro-life position, which it will surely ditch or water down if it can gain vote more votes for its neoliberal economic agenda and neoconservative foreign policy.
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This is what I’ve believed since Bush’s first term in office.
Ideally, I would think it best for there to be an active pro-life foothold in both parties. And many conservatives content with their monopoly on the issue as well as pro-choice liberals shutter at that thought.
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Agreed. I’d love for the ability to really debate the issues without clouding it with, “you have to give religious consent to whatever the Republicans say or do because they say they’re pro-life.”

And yeeees, I know no one’s actually said those words. It’s my summation of the theme surrounding political debate in certain quarters.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Agreed. I’d love for the ability to really debate the issues without clouding it with, “you have to give religious consent to whatever the Republicans say or do because they say they’re pro-life.”
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maybe there’s a passage in the Baltimore catechism saying that Keynesian economic policies are gravely disordered. Oh dear, in my last econ paper I advocated targeted trade subsidies! I have to get to confession, my soul is in peril!

Perhaps the worst part is, some people seem to think we can’t even debate particular policies without someone associating one side with abortion because it is a Democratic position. I suppose I can just try identifying myself as a strongly dissenting Republican; that is, moderately pro- gun control, neo-Keynesian, foreign policy anti-neocon, Republican. I’ll see how it works out.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
Agreed. I’d love for the ability to really debate the issues without clouding it with, “you have to give religious consent to whatever the Republicans say or do because they say they’re pro-life.”

And yeeees, I know no one’s actually said those words. It’s my summation of the theme surrounding political debate in certain quarters.
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The problem is there are too many liberal catholics who don’t want abortion to cloud the issues - get in the way of them supporting their pet liberal politicians and issues. In other words, “don’t bother me with abortion, there are just too many other issues like economic justice and union rights.”

Ishii
 
ishii said:
The problem is there are too many liberal catholics who don’t want abortion to cloud the issues - get in the way of them supporting their pet liberal politicians and issues. In other words, “don’t bother me with abortion, there are just too many other issues like economic justice and union rights.”

Ishii
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It is an amazing thing to behold! “Well so and so may support killing children but I still vote for him becuase by gosh at least he wants higher taxes on the rich”
 
estesbob said:
It is an amazing thing to behold! “Well so and so may support killing children but I stoill vote for him becuase by gosh at least he wants higher taxes on the rich”
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Isn’t it? Or they say, “so and so may support abortion, but atleast they’re not Republicans”

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Isn’t it? Or they say, “so and so may support abortion, but atleast they’re not Republicans”

Ishii
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I have posted this before but whenver I see the “well other than the fact he supports abortion…” statement I immediatly think of "Well other than that how was the play , Mrs. Lincoln.
 
estesbob said:
It is an amazing thing to behold! “Well so and so may support killing children but I still vote for him becuase by gosh at least he wants higher taxes on the rich”
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Who has ever said that he supports killing children?
 
estesbob said:
I have posted this before but whenver I see the “well other than the fact he supports abortion…” statement I immediatly think of "Well other than that how was the play , Mrs. Lincoln.
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A very appropriate response that, I have noticed, goes right over the heads of some.

Ishii
 
sidbrown said:
Who has ever said that he supports killing children?
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By he do you mean Barrack Obama? Not only does he support killing children he took steps on his third day in office to help other countries fund killing their children.
 
estesbob said:
By he do you mean Barrack Obama? Not only does he support killing children he took steps on his third day in office to help other countries fund killing their children.
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The question was who ever said that they support the killing of children.
 
Our Popes have declared Abortion is a Serious Sin.

That would make it Mortal.

1 Unrepented Mortal Sin can send you to Hell for Eternity.

Pro-Abortion Catholics need to Repent.
Catholics who support and defend Pro-Abortion Politicians have blood on their hands.

Now you know.

Listen to our Pope. Keep your eyes on him.
He speaks the Truth-and there is 1 Truth.

God Bless you.
+Jesus, I Trust In You!
Love, Dawn
 
estesbob said:
By he do you mean Barrack Obama? Not only does he support killing children he took steps on his third day in office to help other countries fund killing their children.
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I believe in the question sidbrown asked “who ever said that they support the killing of children” the “they” or “he” did not refer to anyone in particular; he was asking you to point to who in particular supported abortion to whom you were addessing you remarks. I may be wrong though.

It seems, however, that you’re directing your comments at people here on these forums, in which case I don’t think they are justified. You seem to make assumptions and accuse everyone who attacks GOP policies or defends a liberal position, perhaps a policy enacted by President Obama of supporting abortion. By this logic, everyone who is vegetarian supports Hitler (also a vegetarian), and everyone who supports Catholicism is a Francoist. By saying “such and such economic policy by Obama was a good idea” does not contitute aiding and abetting abortion. Nor does it even mean that the one who says it voted for him. I’ve seen you make that assumption before for people who explcicitly stated elsewhere that they didn’t vote for him. So maybe you should avoid that sort of presumption.
 
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