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It sounds like you went through some hurtful times. I’m sorry for your experience.
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Donna_P
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Sounds mental to me. The Mormons I have known have been quiet. Only once has something come up. My co-worker mentioned a friend who was LDS and I mentioned that they don’t believe in Christ. She then stated that the Bible is all fiction. At that point the conversation died.
I just pray.
I just pray.
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I’m sorry I happen to find this website today, not trying but did so I thought gosh why is there LDS stuff going on in a catholic website. Anyways, I’ve read some of your postings and think your all hillarious. I’ve been LDS all my life and want to let you all one thing, if you have a question about an LDS person and there religion just ask. They don’t bite and if they do, I’d be worried (its not part of our religion). They aren’t taught to judge, but yes some do. They do believe in Jesus Christ just like you (or at least we profess to). You’d be surprised how much you might have in common if you just ask and let the conversation go. If you find things that they are doing things you wouldn’t think Christ would do then they probably aren’t living their religion the way they should. Nobody is perfect, but we believe a religion to be. All need the mercy of Christ, hopefully we can all get it together. Good luck to you all! Hope I didn’t offend, I wasn’t trying to.
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Seeks_God
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I am not one to be bigoted and beligerant…I’m extremely accepting of all peoples. Although, I’ll never change/alter my religious beliefs I’ve always invited missionaries into my house for conversation. I admire people who are willing to share their beliefs with others.
But, I can also say I have never felt discrimination until I moved to Utah and it became quite obvious that I’m not a mormon. I’ve also heard the ol’ “That’s not how all LDS members treat people.” or “Only the Utah Mormons are that way.”
I’ve had my children shunned at school. I have had their “friends” tell them they couldn’t play with them because they “didn’t go to” their "church. And have even seen them not included in pizza parties for being on winning sports teams. I was told by kids of a team I coached that they were not supposed to do what I told them…
I’m certainly downplaying the events, for concisness, but it was readily obvious that my family was a minority in Utah. It was obvious that there was a separation that existed and it was more obvious who was creating that canyon. It has taken alot out of my own patience to watch my children get treated with such utter disrespect and tell them “turn the other cheek” and be respectful.
The distaste for non-mormons by mormons exists; it is a reality. I can understand there was blatant wrongs against the LDS church as it evolved, but Catholics als receive/received wrongs and we are taught it is sinful to treat beleivers better than non-beleivers.
Just my thoughts and opinions and certainly no disrespect is intended, but this is just my experience.
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But, I can also say I have never felt discrimination until I moved to Utah and it became quite obvious that I’m not a mormon. I’ve also heard the ol’ “That’s not how all LDS members treat people.” or “Only the Utah Mormons are that way.”
I’ve had my children shunned at school. I have had their “friends” tell them they couldn’t play with them because they “didn’t go to” their "church. And have even seen them not included in pizza parties for being on winning sports teams. I was told by kids of a team I coached that they were not supposed to do what I told them…
I’m certainly downplaying the events, for concisness, but it was readily obvious that my family was a minority in Utah. It was obvious that there was a separation that existed and it was more obvious who was creating that canyon. It has taken alot out of my own patience to watch my children get treated with such utter disrespect and tell them “turn the other cheek” and be respectful.
The distaste for non-mormons by mormons exists; it is a reality. I can understand there was blatant wrongs against the LDS church as it evolved, but Catholics als receive/received wrongs and we are taught it is sinful to treat beleivers better than non-beleivers.
Just my thoughts and opinions and certainly no disrespect is intended, but this is just my experience.
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Seeks_God
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I understand 60% of the LDS church are ex-catholics. Is this true? If it is I would suspect it would be rather easy to tell people “See how similar we really are!” Also, I’m not sure LDS do see Jesus Christ the same way we see Jesus God. Don’t you see the Trinity as three distinct beings, separate from one another but with the same spirit - i.e. having the same plan for humanity? Catholics see the Trinity as three persons but One in being - i.e. God from God…One in Being with the Father. We see them as one but separate - the same being revealed 3 different ways. I’m not so sure the similarity exists. What scares me, however, is that there are alot of Catholics that do not understand how incredibly different Mormonism and Catholicism really are.
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jusher7281
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I work with a Mormon who told me he really believes in the teachings of the Mormon church, but doesn’t exhibit the behavior you described in your co-worker. My guess is that it’s not associated as much with her religious beliefs as it is with her personality. I hope you have a great deal of patience, because I would have told her to shut up and get out of my face! But that’s just me.
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I’m really sorry that that happened to you. I grew up in Utah and I know what your talking about. I have never felt right about that, I had multiple friends that weren’t LDS and I saw how hard it was for them to grow up as non-members. I was not trying to show offense coming to this website. I had one friend that I watched the kids frame as stealing so they would have an excuse and didn’t have to play with her. I know that our prophet is against this and I also know that the social structure of the church IS different out side of Utah. I lived in Florida…and I loved it and the people more. I think your right there is a social problem with LDS people in Utah, but I still feel like the church is true. I wrote it once before and I’ll write it again we don’t beleive that people are perfect but we do beleive that a religion can be. I really am sorry that you had that happen to you, my dearest friends growing up were not LDS. My maid of honor was not LDS.
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We see God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost as 3 different beings. These 3 beings are One in purpose. Jesus is seperate from God the Father and the Holy Ghost…etc. Each one has a specific role in the God head. As for the how many LDS people are converts from Catholicism I really don’t know. I am not scared of the differences, I am scared of the canyon you described. I really had a hard time seeing my peers treat act special because of their religion, they were cruel. I also wasn’t treated the same until high school and then I had a complex about them so I didn’t trust most of them. In all actuality it is wrong and unfortunately the teaching comes from the parents. My parents never said I could play with my non member friends. They let me play with anyone I wanted to, I think that parents are afraid that there kids are going to end up in the wrong crowd with different values. In all actuallity if you teach your children the right way they will recognize it…well at least that’s my theory. I had a friend who moved out here from Virginia and she told me that LDS people were diferent in Virginia. I would tell her it’s not the person its the religion. I’ll tell you this too LDS people only believe that LDS people can go to hell, so we are expected suppose to live better then that. I have a question there are more then 100 religions out there and I only know of the LDS faith to have anti-religion why?
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I had a friend who moved out here from Virginia and she told me that LDS people were diferent in Virginia.
I had the opinion that a lot of Utah mormons were ‘stuffy shirts’ and carried the ‘holier than thou’ attitude. Some of my relatives came across that way and I felt I was a ‘black sheep’ even though I know most of it was directed at my dad for converting. I just caught the flak. Most Mormons that weren’t raised in Utah don’t carry that persona, and I haven’t met a convert to the LDS church to carry that persona.
I know that all faiths have their zealots. Since I was raised Catholic but half my relatives were Mormon, I was probably a little more sensitive to the criticism coming from my Mormon family members. I’ve been told by my wife that a lot of my Utah relatives have an abnormal amount of divorces that doesn’t normally depict Mormon family life and the reason I have a skewed viewpoint of Mormonism. Of my grandfather’s generation (he had 7 brothers), one was never married, one died very young, one is on his 2nd marriage, three have been married somewhere between 3 to 5 times and the winner has been married (about) 18 times.
I’m not sure why I would have a skewed view of Mormon family life.Fortunately, I have a wife that is giving me a better viewpoint of a good Mormon with much better family values.
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Seeks God:
60% of Latter-Day Saint CONVERTS might be Romans Catholics, though I don’t know. It seems to me that most converts do acknowledge a prior denominational affiliation but rarely have attended ANY worship service in 5 or more years. So most LDS converts are essentially ‘unchurched’ even if they have some sort of vestigial family link with one or another denomination. All of this information is quite old and drawn from memory, so could be inaccurate on both counts.
60% of Mormons are NOT ex-Catholics. Last I looked, ‘cradle’ Mormons still outnumbered converts somewhere in the 60/40 ratio. (There was concern that converts would eventually outnumber lifelong Latter-Day Saints. However, the statisticians pointed out that the ratio of lifelong Mormons who are ACTIVE versus LDS converts who are active is even higher–a lot of converts slip away at somewhere around the 3-year to 5-year mark and only about half of those who leave ever return).
60% of Latter-Day Saint CONVERTS might be Romans Catholics, though I don’t know. It seems to me that most converts do acknowledge a prior denominational affiliation but rarely have attended ANY worship service in 5 or more years. So most LDS converts are essentially ‘unchurched’ even if they have some sort of vestigial family link with one or another denomination. All of this information is quite old and drawn from memory, so could be inaccurate on both counts.
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Okay…you proved they are similar, but still FAR from being the same. We actually believe The Trinity are one being, where you actually believe they are separate (Right?). This one of the reasons we call this concept a Mystery - it’s difficult to accept and understand.
I truly beleive there are always bad-apples in every group. Our pedophilic priests are a prime example of this concept. A lot of anti-catholics like to use the argument that ALL priests are pedophiles in disguise which is a corruption of the truth. (In fact the percentage of pedohilic priests is about 2-3 % and there are approcimately 10% pedophiles in society - a statistic I heard, but I could be wrong.)
I know of other religions that are ant-religions - i.e. denounce others as having any merit whatsoever. One of the things I value about the Catholic Church is the recognition of Christians as Christians…that is HUGE to me. I know alot of people that love Jesus Christ but distrust organized religions for whatever reasons…
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flameburns623 said:
Oh, I’m sure my facts were wrong… It was a statistic I heard and I wasn’t sure the exact details, but my point that a large number of ex-Catholics are now Mormon is wghat I meant…
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Jerusha
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There are many people who are not practicing Mormons who are counted by the LDS Church. The US Census results I quoted on another thread are 185% discrepant from the number reported by SLC. I would imagine that many are very brief converts who drifted away-- or else said “What a fool I was.” And, many of them probably do come from Catholic backgrounds, although received very poor religious instruction.
One has to be very thoroughly enculturated into Mormonism to be as stubborn as BJ. There are very few converts who can swallow the whole thing without choking at some point or another. A huge majority are from thoroughly Mormon areas, and from old-time Mormon families. And the people who have the most power in the church are “LDS Royalty”.
And I still firmly believe that there is a particle of good in Mormonism, in that, between all the BS in the BOM, there is preserved a story derived from Indian legends, of the Viking invasion, and Christian influence in North America in pre-Columbian times. Not everything about Mormonism is evil.
One has to be very thoroughly enculturated into Mormonism to be as stubborn as BJ. There are very few converts who can swallow the whole thing without choking at some point or another. A huge majority are from thoroughly Mormon areas, and from old-time Mormon families. And the people who have the most power in the church are “LDS Royalty”.
And I still firmly believe that there is a particle of good in Mormonism, in that, between all the BS in the BOM, there is preserved a story derived from Indian legends, of the Viking invasion, and Christian influence in North America in pre-Columbian times. Not everything about Mormonism is evil.
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RE: And the people who have the most power in the church are “LDS Royalty”.
Jerusha,
Can you please explain this sentence? Where is this LDS Royalty and how much power do they have??
Jerusha,
Can you please explain this sentence? Where is this LDS Royalty and how much power do they have??
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Jerusha
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Descendants of those who were members of the church since—to grab a number out of midair— 1850. Please correct me if I am wrong. Of the 70-- what percentage have lineages dating that far back?
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stillsearching
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Seeks God:
Perhaps we should define pedophile as well. In the old days, when Smith and the others took multitudinous wive-Smith-33- some of the them were minors. Now hos does that acquaint with pedophilia? We also have to realize that a result of this old practice is fundamentalist radical LDS groups still practicing polygamy without church consent I understand. What is the difference between Catholic pedophilia and Mormon pedophilia, I wonder? The Moromons deny that it even exists, is about the only difference I see.
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Seeks_God
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They deny it exists? Really? That’s strange…
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stillsearching
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Seeks God:
the LDS official church posters on this site deny that it has anything to do with the LDS today. And these offshoot radicals are on their own as they are seperated from LDS now. I believe in the RCC we would call this evidence of the hereditary or original sin, but the LDS have no sense of collective guilt, so they are washed clean of the polygamy effects at this time.
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Jerusha
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:whacky: Strange, but not unexpected, given the denial of so many other things.
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Ok I don’t really understand what you mean by “royalty” I have decendents taht go back to when the church was organized and I am definately not “royal” among the church…
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