Has anyone had this experience with Mormons?

[LDS]

Seeks God:

They deny it exists? Really? That’s strange…

That is because it doesn’t exist. It has not been a practice since I believe the eary 1900’s but at the time there were that were married so the ones who were stayed married to multiple wives I’m sure most of those have died by now…they’d have to be over one hundred.
It does however exist in radical groups that have broken off fromt he LDS religion, a common city known for poligamy is Colorado City down by Zions natiol park.

 

[LDS]

stillsearching:

the LDS official church posters on this site deny that it has anything to do with the LDS today. And these offshoot radicals are on their own as they are seperated from LDS now. I believe in the RCC we would call this evidence of the hereditary or original sin, but the LDS have no sense of collective guilt, so they are washed clean of the polygamy effects at this time.

OK and how many other religions have broken off from the Catholic church? Just wondering if you take in all there follies.

 

[Jerusha]

Ok I don’t really understand what you mean by “royalty” I have decendents taht go back to when the church was organized and I am definately not “royal” among the church…

Obviously, since you are willing to come here and have rational, open-minded discussion with us, you have been demoted from royalty. Welcome. (drawing Venn diagrams in my mind, again)

 

[Casen]

Jerusha:

Descendants of those who were members of the church since—to grab a number out of midair— 1850. Please correct me if I am wrong. Of the 70-- what percentage have lineages dating that far back?

Jerusha,
I once sat in a devotional at BYU and a General Authority asked those students that have LDS pioneer ancestry to raise their hands and more than half the students raised their hands, including me. And considering our cultural emphasis on genealogy and heritage most BYU students know their heritage. That a large percentage of current church leadership would trace their roots to pioneer heritage shouldn’t surprise anyone. The majority of the LDS in the United States can do that! Do you consider us all “royalty”?

 

[Jerusha]

Hardly. Everyone is human. No one person is superior to another.

 

[Casen]

Jerusha:

Hardly. Everyone is human. No one person is superior to another.

Jerusha,
I was just trying to understand what you meant my royalty. Anyway, from my perspective, the LDS church leadership doesn’t get wealthy by being in their positions. If you look at the current Twelve Apostles, most were extremely successful in their civilian lives and made significant financial sacrifice when they gave up their careers. This is common at all levels of the church. On July 4th the Boston Globe ran an article about Kim B. Clark, who is giving up his position as Dean of Harvard Business School to take a job heading BYU Idaho (formerly Rick’s College). I think it’s fair to say most wouldn’t consider this a step UP career wise. Interestingly, the article also mentioned Rev. J Bryan Hehir, the first Catholic priest to head Harvard Divinity School who resigned to head a Catholic Charity and the request of Cardinal Law, another example of sacrifice for a higher duty.

 

[Jerusha]

No, that isn’t the point.

I suppose part of my own problem stems from the fact that my own family history and geneaology was closed to me for many years, because of social pressures. (I can’t get into details) I am resentful of people who have easy access to family history-- while I didn’t. I thought shame was the reason. But I have plenty to be proud of.

Although it all boils down to is understanding the forces that made me–me, and my own personal integrity.

 

[paul_barlow]

Seeks God:

I am not one to be bigoted and beligerant…I’m extremely accepting of all peoples. Although, I’ll never change/alter my religious beliefs I’ve always invited missionaries into my house for conversation. I admire people who are willing to share their beliefs with others.

But, I can also say I have never felt discrimination until I moved to Utah and it became quite obvious that I’m not a mormon. I’ve also heard the ol’ “That’s not how all LDS members treat people.” or “Only the Utah Mormons are that way.”

I’ve had my children shunned at school. I have had their “friends” tell them they couldn’t play with them because they “didn’t go to” their "church. And have even seen them not included in pizza parties for being on winning sports teams. I was told by kids of a team I coached that they were not supposed to do what I told them…

I’m certainly downplaying the events, for concisness, but it was readily obvious that my family was a minority in Utah. It was obvious that there was a separation that existed and it was more obvious who was creating that canyon. It has taken alot out of my own patience to watch my children get treated with such utter disrespect and tell them “turn the other cheek” and be respectful.

The distaste for non-mormons by mormons exists; it is a reality. I can understand there was blatant wrongs against the LDS church as it evolved, but Catholics als receive/received wrongs and we are taught it is sinful to treat beleivers better than non-beleivers.

Just my thoughts and opinions and certainly no disrespect is intended, but this is just my experience.

SG

on behalf of my church we are sorry how you and your family were treated that is not ment to happen.
utah well it is somewhat easier to be a mormon there than in the outside world we non utah saints have can you belive this non mormon friends we except there diffrences while wanting them to join our church we each have our beliefs and should value those of others. remember 4,5,6 genration mormon in utah may not be a good example of what our church teaches and believes.
thou the same has happened to friends of mine in ireland and france.
lots of love
paul

 

[majick275]

You know what Paul? You seem to me to be a very goodhearted, kind individual who is sincerely trying to follow the word of the Lord.

I may disagree with your religious views but I am gaining a healthy respect for you .

May God bless you every day.

 

[beccaboo]

when I expressed my concerns about the validity of the book of mormon and the character of joseph smith it was suggested to me that I should “find a high bridge and jump off” because my life was hopeless as an apostate.

 

[majick275]

Sadly, there are some here (LDS trolls) who will persecute you here. Just know that many of us have survived the cult of Mormonism and have found the love of god in his holy church.

 

[paul_barlow]

beccaboo:

when I expressed my concerns about the validity of the book of mormon and the character of joseph smith it was suggested to me that I should “find a high bridge and jump off” because my life was hopeless as an apostate.

please explain in more detail

 

[paul_barlow]

majick275:

Sadly, there are some here (LDS trolls) who will persecute you here. Just know that many of us have survived the cult of Mormonism and have found the love of god in his holy church.

the same persicution is in any church. its present were people claim to belive but deo not live it. did all your lds friends hate you. did they all dispise you. they may have found your actions diffrent from your past life but thats your choice no one should persiute you. but then you should not persicute others.

 

[wjhii]

Blanka:

I guess what I am wondering is: Is this part of the Mormon persona? Is this meant to make others envious of the Mormon lifestyle? Or does this woman just have her own mental health issues?

There are people like this in every group or religion. You can not judge a whole religion on the behavior of one member. Your co-worker sounds like an idiot. Why don’t you just leave it at that rather then attacking someones choice of religion.

As form the woman being proud of her church, she should be. Whether you like the LDS or not that have contributed greatly to the United States.

 

[amgid]

majick275:

Sadly, there are some here (LDS trolls) who will persecute you here. Just know that many of us have survived the cult of Mormonism and have found the love of god in his holy church.

I never have high expectations of apostates. They are a miserable lot. Some day they will betray the Catholic Church, just as they have betrayed the LDs Church; and they will be “despised by those who have flattered them” (D&C 121:20).

amgid

 

[majick275]

wjhii:

There are people like this in every group or religion. You can not judge a whole religion on the behavior of one member. Your co-worker sounds like an idiot. Why don’t you just leave it at that rather then attacking someones choice of religion.

As form the woman being proud of her church, she should be. Whether you like the LDS or not that have contributed greatly to the United States.

I was pretty much in agreement with you until the last sentence. I have no problem with her being proud of her church. I question just what “great contribution” the LDS church has made to the USA.

 

[Tmaque]

amgid:

I never have high expectations of apostates. They are a miserable lot. Some day they will betray the Catholic Church, just as they have betrayed the LDs Church; and they will be “despised by those who have flattered them” (D&C 121:20).

amgid

amgid,

I really hope this is a joke. If it isn’t then all I can say is God Bless You.

 

[Chris-WA]

amgid:

I never have high expectations of apostates. They are a miserable lot. Some day they will betray the Catholic Church, just as they have betrayed the LDs Church; and they will be “despised by those who have flattered them” (D&C 121:20).

amgid

Open mouth, insert foot…again.

 

[Red_Meg]

I’ve only known a handful of Mormons, but they’ve all been down-to-earth, delightful women. I’m inclined to blame this on the woman’s innate self-righteousness and insecurities rather than her church. Sad to say, I’ve met one or two insecure, self-righteous Catholics in my day, and I’m sure we haven’t got the market cornered on that particular set of personality flaws…

And speaking of Mormon friends-- I’m inviting one to a doctrine class I’m organizing. Everyone who is so inclined, please say a quick prayer and offer up some small mortification that she will attend with an open heart and mind?

Thanks,

Margaret

 

[PaulDupre]

amgid:

I never have high expectations of apostates.
amgid

After all, according to LDS teaching we all end up drunk in the gutter.
God bless us all,
Paul (ex-mo going on 20 years and still gutter-free)