Has Anyone Here Ever Actually Triggered the Elimination of Abuses with a Letter or Meeting with Clergy?

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Has anyone here ever actually sent a priest a letter telling them they are doing a great job? Sure, we tell them “Great homily Father” on the way out of mass, but do we complement them on other things. The priests (especially pastors) have a tough job. Their job is not just saying mass. They are running a small business. They did not go to business school. How often do you think the Bishop gets a nice letter?
I ditto this.

I will also add a question. Are we abusing the word abuse?

Here’s where I’m coming from. Last Satuday I went to confession. After doing my usual, "Bless me Father for I have sinned. It’s been two weeks since my last confession, " I was about to go into "I accuse myself of . . . (gotcha! Thought I was gong to tell you. 😃 )

I was caught off guard when the priest interrupted and said “Welcome back,” with the warmest smile in the world.

Now, I’m have been around long enough to know that “Welcome back” is not part of the ritual, but I didn’t make anything of it.

It caught me off guard and I said, “Excuse me?”

The priest repeated it. I started to laugh and thanked him. Then we proceeded.

When I left the confessional I prayed for him, because he had actually made me feel very comfortable. I had never gone to confession with him before. He was just ordained about a year ago and did not get faculties to hear confession until several weeks ago, because he’s a religious brother and the superior has to grant the faculties. So it’s up to the superior when his brothers can hear confessions.

This guy is new to this and is trying to be warm and is probably nervous himself. He’s sitting there with a line outside that’s an hour long, at least. This is typical at our parish.

I was not going to cry ABUSE becasue he stopped me to welcome me back.

This is where I’m coming from when I ask, are we abusing the word abuse?

JR 🙂
 
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#2 happened about 10 years ago, again with a summer visitor, only this time in my home parish. I heard a long litany of complaints from a friend about “Fr. Leonard.” I hadn’t encountered him since I attended daily Mass at my work parish. I heard that he had come from missionary work someplace down south - can’t remember - South America, Central America, an island…

Some of my friend’s complaints were that instead of starting precisely at 8:00 AM, he often gabbed in the sacristy and would waltz out at 8:10, 8:15, often causing my friend to have to leave before Communion so she would be able to get to work on time. She also complained that he seemed to make up the Mass as he went along. While she would be complaining to me, I would be thinking, “How bad can he be?”

WELL, where do I begin?

It was Saturday Noon - our parish has a Noon Mass every day in addition to the early morning Masses - so after a restful night’s & late morning’s sleep, I joined my friend for Mass, and who was the celebrant? Fr. L. He was only about 10 minutes late.

The first thing he did was to celebrate the Mass for Sts. Peter & Paul (if I remember correctly). The only problem - it was the Feast of St. Iranaeus (sp?). From there, it only got worse. He seemingly didn’t follow one prayer from the Sacramentary, but made up his own, or ad libbed a bit on what was written. He even stopped in the middle of the Opening Prayer & said, “Isn’t is a shame that we have to stick to these old prayers in the book?” :eek:

Then came the homily. He babbled on for an intolerable amount of time & the only thing that I very clearly remember was the phrase “… lay people like us…” :bigyikes:

I turned to my friend and she turned to me. We both silently mouthed the words “lay people like us?” then both said to each other, “Is this guy even a priest???” Since we weren’t sure, we made sure to receive HC from the EMHC since he was distributing HC from a ciborium that had been reserved in the Tabernacle. Neither of us was going to receive whatever “Fr.?” L had “consecrated.”

After Mass, I greeted him warmly, introduced myself, asked him where he was from (originally incardinated in the Rochester, NY, Diocese), and then questioned him about why he had not used the Mass for the Feast of St. Iranaeus. He stared blankly for a second, then said, “Oh him! I like Sts. Peter and Paul so much better. Besides, no one here will be coming tomorrow.” (Might I remind the readers of this post that this Noon Mass is attended by at least 100 people who are giving up part of their busy Saturdays to attend daily Mass. I’m sure they’ll all be going to Sunday Mass!)

I reminded “Fr.” L that even though he might like Peter & Paul better, there are men who devote their entire lives to working on the calendar & the liturgy of the Church & he did not have the authority to juggle feast days around, not to mention his promise of obedience to HMC.

When he realized I was foe not friend, he quickly hurried inside, saying he had to go.

I thought the same thing: I wrote to the Bishop. I told him the complaints I had been told, what I witnessed & the conversation after Mass.

Fortunately, our retired Bishop (Bishop Daily) & I knew each other, so when he received my letter he knew I wasn’t some miscellaneous crank who likes to complain.

While I received a more or less pro forma letter stating that the credentials of all summer visitors are checked by the Diocese, the important thing was “Fr.” L was not seen again!
We get a lot of visiting priests in our parish,especially over the summer months. I find that many of them have strange ideas when it comes to liturgy, especially the ones from India. They ad lib a lot of the mass and do things differently. Being the parish liturgy coordinator I have spoken to the pastor about some of these things and he has spoken to the priests. I feel it is much better coming from the pastor than from a lay person. I usually informed the pastor and he would make it a point to concelbrate with the priest or observe from the sacristy to see what he is doing. Some of the African priests we get also do this but the ones from Malta seem to be very good about following the rubrics.

It is very difficult for a lay person to criticize a priest, they often get defensive and pull the “I’m the priest and I have 5 or 6 years of seminary” trump card, but they will take criticism from the pastor. BTW I have 5 or 6 years of seminary classes as well, so I do know what I am talking about when I see something going on that is not supposed to happen (I refrain from the term abuse). If it is one of our guys that is doing something wrong I can always say, “I can’t beleive Fr.----- taught you to do it that way” and they usually know I had classes with Fr. ---- as well. But again I find it is aways best to go to the pastor with the foreign priests.
 
My pastor celebrated Mass for us last Sunday. He passed the chalices/ciboria from the altar to the EMsHC. He did not allow them to remove the vessels directly from the altar which hand long been the practice in my parish which is not allowed by the Church.

This was one of the things on my list He is really trying to follow the Church. I so much appreciate his quiet efforts and his total lack of arrogance. His reputation is sure growing in my eyes…
 
The post about visiting priests reminds of one we had at our parish one summer. Our pastor always reads the gospel from the Lectionary, rather than the Book of the Gospels, and also distributes communion from the cibborium in the tabernacle immediately, rather than using up the hosts consecrated at the Mass first (I was not aware that this is against the GIRM, but, apparently, it is). The visiting priest followed the GIRM to the letter and, even though I wouldn’t say our pastor’s practices were “abuses,” he immediately informed the vicar general and the Bishop when he got back to the Cathedral city. Apparently, our pastor got quite the chewing out from the Diocese. While he still does things the way he always did :rolleyes:, at least the visting priest tried 🙂
 
The post about visiting priests reminds of one we had at our parish one summer. Our pastor always reads the gospel from the Lectionary, rather than the Book of the Gospels, and also distributes communion from the cibborium in the tabernacle immediately, rather than using up the hosts consecrated at the Mass first (I was not aware that this is against the GIRM, but, apparently, it is). The visiting priest followed the GIRM to the letter and, even though I wouldn’t say our pastor’s practices were “abuses,” he immediately informed the vicar general and the Bishop when he got back to the Cathedral city. Apparently, our pastor got quite the chewing out from the Diocese. While he still does things the way he always did :rolleyes:, at least the visting priest tried 🙂
Reading from the Gospel from the* Lectionary *and not the Evangeliary is not an abuse. The use of an Evangeliary is not even required.

Distributing hosts that have been reposed in the tabernacle instead of those that have been recently confected into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ is also not an abuse. It’s not optimal, but it’s not an abuse.
 
Reading from the Gospel from the* Lectionary *and not the Evangeliary is not an abuse. The use of an Evangeliary is not even required.

Distributing hosts that have been reposed in the tabernacle instead of those that have been recently confected into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ is also not an abuse. It’s not optimal, but it’s not an abuse.
Sometimes there is a practical reason for using the hosts in the tabernacle. There are no preservatives in hosts. The priest may want to use them if they have been there a while, before they go bad. This is not an abuse.

Reading from the lectionary is not abues. This is very common practice. There are lectionaries published just for use at mass.

JR 🙂
 
I didn’t really think it was an abuse either - maybe there was some directive from our Bishop directing the priests in our diocese to do it the way the visiting priest insisted on doing it, or something like that - this other priest (who is actually retired, and works occasionally as a cruise ship chaplain) is a bit of a sticker for doing things “by the book” as he sees it… I suppose it could also be a case of the “post Vatican II syndrome” where everything intended to be optional somehow became mandatory…
 
Sometimes there is a practical reason for using the hosts in the tabernacle. There are no preservatives in hosts. The priest may want to use them if they have been there a while, before they go bad. This is not an abuse.

Reading from the lectionary is not abues. This is very common practice. ** There are lectionaries published just for use at mass.
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JR 🙂
He should try to use the hosts from the Mass the people are actually attending. While it’s not required (and certainly not an abuse) it is the best practice:

GIRM #85 – “It is most desirable that the faithful, just as the priest himself is bound to do, receive the Lord’s Body from hosts consecrated at the same Mass…”

I don’t know of many Lectionaries that are NOT meant to be used at Mass.

The only limitation I know about Lectionaries is that they are not to be carried in procession like an Evangeliary…
 
He should try to use the hosts from the Mass the people are actually attending. While it’s not required (and certainly not an abuse) it is the best practice:

GIRM #85 – “It is most desirable that the faithful, just as the priest himself is bound to do, receive the Lord’s Body from hosts consecrated at the same Mass…”I don’t know of many Lectionaries that are NOT meant to be used at Mass.

The only limitation I know about Lectionaries is that they are not to be carried in procession like an Evangeliary…
I understand the rule. I was just stating that sometimes for practical reasons, this is done.

JR 🙂
 
I understand the rule. I was just stating that sometimes for practical reasons, this is done.

JR 🙂
You seem confused. Look at my posting and your response. I’m not at all sure what you were trying to “add.”
 
You seem confused. Look at my posting and your response. I’m not at all sure what you were trying to “add.”
You cited the GIRM, where it says that the priest and the faithful should receive from the hosts consecrated at the mass.

I said that sometimes, for practical reasons the priest will distribute the hosts in the tabernacle to make sure that they do not go bad and store the newly consecrated hosts in the tabernacle, becauese they are fresher.

There is no intention to abuse or violate the GIRM, but it is a practical maneuver.

I hope that’s a little better stated than before.

JR 🙂
 
You cited the GIRM, where it says that the priest and the faithful should receive from the hosts consecrated at the mass.

I said that sometimes, for practical reasons the priest will distribute the hosts in the tabernacle to make sure that they do not go bad and store the newly consecrated hosts in the tabernacle, becauese they are fresher.

There is no intention to abuse or violate the GIRM, but it is a practical maneuver.

I hope that’s a little better stated than before.

JR 🙂
Que the Twilight Zone theme song:

Take a second look at posting #168.
 
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