Has/Can Pope Francis address the FALSE teachings of Liberal/Progressive "Churches"?

[Thorolfr]

Well as an older progressive, what depresses me is when conservatives resort to capitalizing “dangerous” and putting it in bold letters, putting " " around Christian, and describing the understandings of others as madness and insanity.

I’ve been to a Unitarian church and they didn’t seem very dangerous to me

 

[Sy_Noe]

I’ve been to a Unitarian church and they didn’t seem very dangerous to me

I’ve never been but nah from what I understand they even practice quite a bit of good social justice and caring for the least amongst us. Not all that scary to me. FWIW ELCA and TEC and PCUSA and even UCC don’t seem all that dangerous to me either. Seems to me ya’ll are just doin like everyone else who are believers. Simply striving to walk our faith journeys to the best of our understandings. Peace out all you mainline to liberal progressive Christians.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

I Peace out all you mainline to liberal progressive Christians.

Thank you, on behalf of my fellow ‘mainline to liberal progressive Christians.’ We appreciate the fellowship along the journey of faith.

 

[spedteacherita]

It’s also not that easy to leave the Presbyterian Church USA. A big congregation where I live recently left over the issue of homosexuality, but because their own church building like most church property is owned by the denomination, they will now have to buy it from the Presbyterian Church USA.

This is what happened with the group of members of my church (LCMC) - I don’t believe they actually quarreled over the building but once they knew their differences could not be ironed out they moved on knowing that scripturally they were doing what was right. We actually share a church building with a Church of God congregation which works out very well for both. Utilities and mortgage are shared as well as staggered church services, Bible Studies, Sunday School, and, of course the coffee and fellowship time. Wouldn’t be Lutheran without it!

God bless all!

Rita

 

[spedteacherita]

If Protestant churchpeople choose to read the CCC and encyclicals, they can find guidance for reforming and renewing their own denominations. Of course, many are too anti-Catholic to dip into such literature, but they have that choice. The Catholic Church is still the leader of the Christian world, whether they acknowledge it or not.

Hi, Jerusha,

I’m sure that the CCC has many fine points in it for Christian lives but it’s not that they are too anti-Catholic as many don’t agree on some of the doctrines which the Church teaches. As far as the CC being the leader of the Christian world - that depends upon the perspective one takes when choosing where to worship God.

God bless!!

Rita

 

[Sy_Noe]

Thank you, on behalf of my fellow ‘mainline to liberal progressive Christians.’ We appreciate the fellowship along the journey of faith.

:tiphat: Not many of you here it can sometimes seem to me but backatcha.

 

[Sy_Noe]

This is what happened with the group of members of my church (LCMC) - I don’t believe they actually quarreled over the building but once they knew their differences could not be ironed out they moved on knowing that scripturally they were doing what was right. We actually share a church building with a Church of God congregation which works out very well for both. Utilities and mortgage are shared as well as staggered church services, Bible Studies, Sunday School, and, of course the coffee and fellowship time. Wouldn’t be Lutheran without it!

God bless all!

Rita

Rita, any doughnuts or bagels with that LCMC/CoG coffee? Seriously cool that you share. Glad to hear it is working out for both congos.

 

[spedteacherita]

Rita, any doughnuts or bagels with that LCMC/CoG coffee? Seriously cool that you share. Glad to hear it is working out for both congos.

Um…some seriously good cookies, coffee cakes, cupcakes, cereal for the kids, fruit…we have some “older” German ladies who bring their yummy homemade goodies most every Sunday!!

 

[Sy_Noe]

Um…some seriously good cookies, coffee cakes, cupcakes, cereal for the kids, fruit…we have some “older” German ladies who bring their yummy homemade goodies most every Sunday!!

:bigyikes: all that choice! I’m only used to doughnuts or bagels depending on the parish. So my head is doing some serious spinning right now. :whacky: Enjoy. Peace.

 

[JustaServant]

As a share of the US population between 2007 and 2014, the number of Catholics dropped only a little bit less quickly than the number of Mainline Protestants. According to a Pew Research Center survey from this last May, the number of Catholics in the US as a share of the US population dropped by 3.1%. The number of Mainline Protestants dropped by 3.4%, or only 0.3% more than Catholics. Evangelical Protestants are dropping at a much slower rate, only 0.9%.

pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/

But the CC is not a Liberal/Progressive "Church. The OPs focus is on Liberal/Progressive "Churches. Many who leave are attracted to conservative ‘mega churches’.

 

[Sy_Noe]

But the CC is not a Liberal/Progressive "Church. The OPs focus is on Liberal/Progressive "Churches. Many who leave are attracted to conservative ‘mega churches’.

While I would certainly agree the CC does not fit into what I would describe as a progressive church and faith community, I still don’t see how we can talk about those who leave progressive faiths for more conservative ones without also acknowledging the fact that there are also Catholics who have left the faith for more progressive ones as well. There are even priests I know of who were Roman Catholic priests before becoming priests in TEC. And another I know of who was Roman Catholic before becoming Episcopalian and then who later in her journey became a priest in TEC. I think this was merely the basic point Thorolfr was making. That it is indeed a 2 way street.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

While I would certainly agree the CC does not fit into what I would describe as a progressive church and faith community, I still don’t see how we can talk about those who leave progressive faiths for more conservative ones without also acknowledging the fact that there are also Catholics who have left the faith for more progressive ones as well. There are even priests I know of who were Roman Catholic priests before becoming priests in TEC. And another I know of who was Roman Catholic before becoming Episcopalian and then who later in her journey became a priest in TEC. I think this was merely the basic point Thorolfr was making. That it is indeed a 2 way street.

My congregation has a large number of former Roman Catholics, several of whom were priests. Some were received into the Anglican priesthood, some were not. If I am remembering correctly, one resigned officially from the Jesuits, but is still officially a priest. It is actually easier to transfer to the Episcopal priesthood if you have not been laicized.

There are those lay people and former religious who have found a home in TEC also.

It IS a two-way street.

 

[Sy_Noe]

My congregation has a large number of former Roman Catholics, several of whom were priests. Some were received into the Anglican priesthood, some were not. If I am remembering correctly, one resigned officially from the Jesuits, but is still officially a priest. It is actually easier to transfer to the Episcopal priesthood if you have not been laicized.

There are those lay people and former religious who have found a home in TEC also.

It IS a two-way street.

ComplineSanFran, yes I’ve heard it is not uncommon to find within Episcopal churches those who came from Roman Catholic churches.

 

[Jerusha]

Hi, Jerusha,

I’m sure that the CCC has many fine points in it for Christian lives but it’s not that they are too anti-Catholic as many don’t agree on some of the doctrines which the Church teaches. As far as the CC being the leader of the Christian world - that depends upon the perspective one takes when choosing where to worship God.

God bless!!

Rita

Not saying that they would choose to follow all of it, but they can certainly use it and pick and choose. That is all they did in the past, anyway.