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puzzleannie
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let’s see he created me, keeps me living and breathing, created everyone and everything in my world, sustains the entire universe and has given me hope of eternal life, yup I would say so.
im sorry you feel this way.Never. And I have been through some very difficult times. I prayed very sincerely, very desperately. I was a faithful Catholic back then too.
Nothing ever came of it.
I think prayer has about as much effect as placebo, which is some, if you believe you’re being helped you might feeel better and what not. The belief that someone is watching out for you can be very comforting. It can be a source of strength.
But real help? Nope. I’d be a believer if I ever experienced it.
Is it possible that much has come of it but you never considered giving the credit to God? In my post which preceeds yours, I could have decided that I actually saw that on-coming car out of the corner of my eye and that my quick stop was merely the result of my magnificent coordination.Never. And I have been through some very difficult times. I prayed very sincerely, very desperately. I was a faithful Catholic back then too.
Nothing ever came of it.
I think prayer has about as much effect as placebo, which is some, if you believe you’re being helped you might feeel better and what not. The belief that someone is watching out for you can be very comforting. It can be a source of strength.
But real help? Nope. I’d be a believer if I ever experienced it.
I am very sad for you!If god has helped me, I am not aware of it. I’ve had some hard times in my life, especially during early childhood. I recall praying to god as a child asking for answers on why some of these things were happening to me and my family. I also recall being told by various members of chuch that, “things happen of a reason” and “god has a plan” which I guess may be true but I still don’t see it. Maybe I never will, maybe your not supposed to, who knows.
If I were to truthfully answer this question, has god helped me? I’d say no. He has not. I’ve helped myself, and if I am to beleive in god as I was brought up I am to beleive that he/she/it stood idle as I was growing up through tremendous pain and suffering.
That’s not very helpful…
God is our lot in Heaven my friend. he is the source of everything that is perfect and good whether it be beauty, or love or mercy, infinite benevolence…this life is simply preparation for eternity as you stated . But in order to be capable to experience the joy of heaven(the Vision of Gods Glory) we need to learn to love God here. Love is not primarily an emotion but a choice, we need to surrender our wills to God.What good is it to say you love someone and go do that which they despise? That is why free will and obedience are necesary. However, how could we possibly truley appreciate God and His unsearchable greatness? We couldn’t, alone. That is why God helps us, He palces His own Spirit within us, and actually Loves Himself through us. Very awesome stuff!!! he allows us to share in His interior life. God withholds nothing from us, look at the Cross, the Eucharist, He gives Himself completley to us, and to show that we love Him, we are to do the same, and thus…Heaven…we were created for “sexual” union with God…wow!As painful as it may seem, we are all going to die.
As far as I know, only two people have not died: Enoch and Elijah. [Maybe also Moses and Mary… maybe.]
But everyone else has died. Even Jesus died.
Some of us will die peacefully and some will die in pain, agony and torment. But, die we will.
But then we need to ask: what is the purpose of our lives?
As far as I can tell, we need the time to prepare ourselves (our souls) for the next life. [Christians and others do believe in a life after this one.]
Some people may have a mission (or more than one mission) to perform while they are here.
Indirectly through their suffering, they may be used by God to evaluate others… maybe some “stuffed shirt” who is being given one last chance to help someone other than himself…
I don’t know… I’m sort of making this up… sort of.
But consider this: God is INFINITE. And that which we refer to as “Heaven” will last as long as infinity… forever. And part of Heaven is that we, each of us who “make it”, will be given a share, some fractional share of infinity (small “i”). Mathematically, of course, that is impossible… a fraction of “infinity”.
But, God can delegate to those in Heaven some “fringe benefits”… perfect bliss… absolute total joy…ecstasy 24/7… instant time travel… instant space travel… understanding of earthly mysteries - things that eluded us here.
So, on a comparative basis, the most miserable of earthly experiences is a pathetically insignificant inconvenience compared with the totally wonderful experience of Heaven.
So, in any earthly experience, look for something that maybe we are supposed to learn from it. Or maybe we are supposed to meet someone to help them. There is just no telling what is supposed to be the outcome of any particular encounter in this life.
There is no need of a trade; they will get their loved ones back.And I just bet that they would trade all that “help” if only they could have thier loved ones back…
Does every death need to be a punishment for sins? If we want to get arbitrary and hypothetical I could argue that every time a child dies, it is because God knows they will have a terribly difficult life so He is just being merciful to them. If 4 year old Adolph Hitler had drowned in the Danube, would it not have been better for him?No “tirade” about God’s cruelty, but I will point out the incredible stupidity and self-righteous hypocrisy of such “claims”, usually done by Pat Robertson and other idiots who are safe and secure in their homes. Don’t innocent children also perish in those disasters? Or did they have some hidden “sins” deserving such punishment? Or do you think that God is not powerful enough to spare the innocent ones, while punishing the guilty ones?
Scrooge you, buddy.Bah, humbug!
You have no idea what God may be doing for the inflicted people you mentioned. Nor do we have any idea of how they may have rejected God. Most of the crimes against humanity that you spoke of occur in non-Christian countries. Think about it for a while. From the time of Christ to the present, the countries that have grown and prospered the most are Christian countries.Of course it’s possible, but how probable is it?
Whatever problems any of us might have chances are they are nothing compared to what people are undergoing in Darfur or North Korea. In the third world children are forced into prostitution. Even in America there are child sex slaves, there is domestic abuse, some people get tortured and killed by serial killers.
Do you really expect me to believe that God went out of his way to interfere to do something trivial for me (that is in fact much better explained by day-to-day-non-divine factors), but does nothing for those people?
If anyone needs God’s help it’s the child sex slaves and people tortured in North Korean prisons for “political” offenses.
A God who doesn’t interfere with creation in my opinion is far more consistent with our world than a God who does interfere and actually helps people.
are you sure it was your OCD?No.
Especially when I needed it the most. I have obsessive-compulsive disorder, and, as some of you may know, this disorder doesn’t mix well with the teachings of Catholicism. The fear of hell drove me to insanity, and to make a long story short (years), I was eventually admitted to the psych ward. He didn’t answer my prayers throughout this ordeal, and it just convinces me more of His non-existence.
Thankfully (), OCD is a disease of doubt. I started to doubt my religious beliefs, and I ended up leaving the Church. I can now function like a normal person – but, on Catholicism, I’m insane (even with medication) and could never go back to it.
clark
Two excellent points worth noting.You have no idea what God may be doing for the inflicted people you mentioned. …
… would it really matter to you if you were killed by a serial killer at age 30, or if you died of old age at 99. …
Martin Luther?No.
Especially when I needed it the most. I have obsessive-compulsive disorder, and, as some of you may know, this disorder doesn’t mix well with the teachings of Catholicism. The fear of hell drove me to insanity, and to make a long story short (years), I was eventually admitted to the psych ward. He didn’t answer my prayers throughout this ordeal, and it just convinces me more of His non-existence.
Thankfully (), OCD is a disease of doubt. I started to doubt my religious beliefs, and I ended up leaving the Church. I can now function like a normal person – but, on Catholicism, I’m insane (even with medication) and could never go back to it.
clark