Has God failed?

[wolfpup]

Just to note, this is not something I believe or am having trouble with, but I have seen it around a few places lately and it has been going around in my head.

“God creates a “good” world, and yet one sin wrecks the whole order completely and creates immense suffering, pain, and disorder.
His “eternal” covenant with the Israelites is abandoned.
With Jesus death and resurrection salvation is supposed to come, and yet many still go through hard and miserable lives and still struggle with sin.
The cross signals victory for God over Satan, and yet the Devil is still allowed to prowl around wrecking lives and sending people to hell. Sin still keeps people yoked from birth, and many will end up in hell.
The “perfect world” that God promises always seems around the corner, just close enough that we hope for it, yet far enough away that we never seem to reach it.
The blame is always pointed towards man in traditional Christianity and yet all of this accomplished by an all-powerful and omniscient deity. How can this be just? It seems like a victory for the Devil more than for God.”

What do you say to this?

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Just to note, this is not something I believe or am having trouble with, but I have seen it around a few places lately and it has been going around in my head.

“God creates a “good” world, and yet one sin wrecks the whole order completely and creates immense suffering, pain, and disorder.
His “eternal” covenant with the Israelites is abandoned.
With Jesus death and resurrection salvation is supposed to come, and yet many still go through hard and miserable lives and still struggle with sin.
The cross signals victory for God over Satan, and yet the Devil is still allowed to prowl around wrecking lives and sending people to hell. Sin still keeps people yoked from birth, and many will end up in hell.
The “perfect world” that God promises always seems around the corner, just close enough that we hope for it, yet far enough away that we never seem to reach it.
The blame is always pointed towards man in traditional Christianity and yet all of this accomplished by an all-powerful and omniscient deity. How can this be just? It seems like a victory for the Devil more than for God.”

What do you say to this?

Gods plan is not to make the perfect world, but to have man come to him by choice of free will in love so as to bring His prefection to the world. this will happen in the fullness of time. The longer it takes the more we can pray for the converstion of all.

 

[grannymh]

Just to note, this is not something I believe or am having trouble with, but I have seen it around a few places lately and it has been going around in my head.

“God creates a “good” world, and yet one sin wrecks the whole order completely and creates immense suffering, pain, and disorder.
His “eternal” covenant with the Israelites is abandoned.
With Jesus death and resurrection salvation is supposed to come, and yet many still go through hard and miserable lives and still struggle with sin.
The cross signals victory for God over Satan, and yet the Devil is still allowed to prowl around wrecking lives and sending people to hell. Sin still keeps people yoked from birth, and many will end up in hell.
The “perfect world” that God promises always seems around the corner, just close enough that we hope for it, yet far enough away that we never seem to reach it.
The blame is always pointed towards man in traditional Christianity and yet all of this accomplished by an all-powerful and omniscient deity. How can this be just? It seems like a victory for the Devil more than for God.”

What do you say to this?

God exists as God.

 

[rinnie]

Just to note, this is not something I believe or am having trouble with, but I have seen it around a few places lately and it has been going around in my head.

“God creates a “good” world, and yet one sin wrecks the whole order completely and creates immense suffering, pain, and disorder.
His “eternal” covenant with the Israelites is abandoned.
With Jesus death and resurrection salvation is supposed to come, and yet many still go through hard and miserable lives and still struggle with sin.
The cross signals victory for God over Satan, and yet the Devil is still allowed to prowl around wrecking lives and sending people to hell. Sin still keeps people yoked from birth, and many will end up in hell.
The “perfect world” that God promises always seems around the corner, just close enough that we hope for it, yet far enough away that we never seem to reach it.
The blame is always pointed towards man in traditional Christianity and yet all of this accomplished by an all-powerful and omniscient deity. How can this be just? It seems like a victory for the Devil more than for God.”

What do you say to this?

It may appear that way at first. But then God has a way of bringing good out of all thing’s.

Just like how we sin, but God can take any sin away all we have to do is ask.

So to say that it looks like the devil is winning that is impossible. Because by his cross Christ wiped out any kind of sin possible. All we have to do is believe, confess, repent and be sorry and quit the sin.

The only way the devil could have won was to stop Christ from his Cross, and that already happened and he LOST!! Christ WON!! He overcame sin.

 

[Orogeny]

Just to note, this is not something I believe or am having trouble with, but I have seen it around a few places lately and it has been going around in my head.

“God creates a “good” world, and yet one sin wrecks the whole order completely and creates immense suffering, pain, and disorder.
His “eternal” covenant with the Israelites is abandoned.
With Jesus death and resurrection salvation is supposed to come, and yet many still go through hard and miserable lives and still struggle with sin.
The cross signals victory for God over Satan, and yet the Devil is still allowed to prowl around wrecking lives and sending people to hell. Sin still keeps people yoked from birth, and many will end up in hell.
The “perfect world” that God promises always seems around the corner, just close enough that we hope for it, yet far enough away that we never seem to reach it.
The blame is always pointed towards man in traditional Christianity and yet all of this accomplished by an all-powerful and omniscient deity. How can this be just? It seems like a victory for the Devil more than for God.”

What do you say to this?

I say that the failure is on us trying to hold God to a human standard and for not understanding that we can’t know His will unless He wants us to.

Peace

Tim

 

[WesleyF]

It seems like a victory for the Devil more than for God."

What do you say to this?

I say “Ha ha ha” and respond with a verse from 1 Cor

“For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.” (1 Cor 1:25)

Yes, it seems like a victory for the Devil, but from whose perspective??? Precisely from man’s limited perspective! We human beings think we are very smart! Smart enough to even judge God’s performance!! If we do not understand the simple things of this earth itself, how do we even suppose we can understand God’s ways or perhaps judge his performance?? How can a mind as small as ours grasp the workings of an intelligence that knows the workings of the millions of galaxies and the billions of atoms and molecules and are in them? We simply cannot.

So it is only foolish of man to judge God’s performance or to question God’s actions. Job tried that (see the book of Job). The essence of God’s response was - “Do you think (you fool) that you can understand me?”

“God is not what you imagine or what you think you understand. If you understand you have failed.” - St. Augustine

 

[wolfpup]

Ok, I can see how this viewpoint completly fails. Thanks, because this is something that I have been trying to argue against. We must always remember that we are looking at things from our own limited point of view.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Just to note, this is not something I believe or am having trouble with, but I have seen it around a few places lately and it has been going around in my head.

“God creates a “good” world, and yet one sin wrecks the whole order completely and creates immense suffering, pain, and disorder.
His “eternal” covenant with the Israelites is abandoned.
With Jesus death and resurrection salvation is supposed to come, and yet many still go through hard and miserable lives and still struggle with sin.
The cross signals victory for God over Satan, and yet the Devil is still allowed to prowl around wrecking lives and sending people to hell. Sin still keeps people yoked from birth, and many will end up in hell.
The “perfect world” that God promises always seems around the corner, just close enough that we hope for it, yet far enough away that we never seem to reach it.
The blame is always pointed towards man in traditional Christianity and yet all of this accomplished by an all-powerful and omniscient deity. How can this be just? It seems like a victory for the Devil more than for God.”

What do you say to this?

i hear what you are saying and complete understand where you come from. Yes, it does seems that way. Jesus did overcame sin, He never sinned and resisted all temptations as an example to us that we should also overcome sin. We cant seem to be able to do as such. We have the tendency to yield to the devil as soon as he offers us something attractive. Taht is how we fall into temptation. Jesus says, the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Today, we seem to live mostly in by the flesh than in the spirit. It has been very hard for us today to accept that we are sinners and have abandoned the believe that devil still very much alive and tempting us daily. Before, the Parishes used to pray St Michael’s prayer after Mass, today they have forgotten this prayer.