Has God had Enough?

[oppositeman]

I have been wondering the same thing. The world is in terrible shape (spiritually, morally etc), and it just gets worse and worse each year, yet, God still takes no action, not even a ‘mass warning’ that everyone would see, this makes no sense to me and I will be honest, it is really making me wonder about Gods existence and his agenda.

I realize I mention this alot, but God destroyed Sodom and Gomarrah for their sins, yet many cities today, are much worse than those 2 cities were, some of the crazy things people do and believe in today are shocking to me, yet God has not destroyed any cities lately. I am curious how long Sodom and Gomarrah went down this path before God destroyed them…anyone know? I dont think it was hundreds of years though.

All of this makes me wonder what God is waiting for. He has not even sent a warning yet!!. It is very clear people are not going to change their ways and are actually getting worse and worse.

I know you mentioned weather, but if you look back thru history, our weather today is really not anything to get excited about, it is on par and normal, when looking at the big picture.

I believe the warning that you spoke of is coming within the next few years - it’s called the illumination of conscience which is what I stated. There also will be 3 days of darkness covering the earth - the headlights on your car won’t work - you will be stuck where you are at - it seems that will get peoples attention - don’t you think?

 

[mikekle]

I believe the warning that you spoke of is coming within the next few years - it’s called the illumination of conscience which is what I stated. There also will be 3 days of darkness covering the earth - the headlights on your car won’t work - you will be stuck where you are at - it seems that will get peoples attention - don’t you think?

Even if such an event happened with the next years, Im fairly sure the media would report that the 3 days of darkness could be explained by their ‘experts’, they will have a believable explanation for this, and like every other thing the media reports on, most people will buy it hook, line and sinker.

 

[oppositeman]

Even if such an event happened with the next years, Im fairly sure the media would report that the 3 days of darkness could be explained by their ‘experts’, they will have a believable explanation for this, and like every other thing the media reports on, most people will buy it hook, line and sinker.

yes - if you are very separated from God and don’t want to believe then you will accept some other explanation.

 

[Diana_Catherine]

yes - if you are very separated from God and don’t want to believe then you will accept some other explanation.

agreed. probably any other explanation.

 

[mikekle]

yes - if you are very separated from God and don’t want to believe then you will accept some other explanation.

So, as a warning, that would not work for everyone…In order for God to warn everyone, something will have to be done, that no one can question or scientifically explain as something else, what this could be though, is beyond me.

 

[TarkanAttila]

Even if such an event happened with the next years, Im fairly sure the media would report that the 3 days of darkness could be explained by their ‘experts’, they will have a believable explanation for this, and like every other thing the media reports on, most people will buy it hook, line and sinker.

As an atheist once pointed out, we have a “limitless human capacity for self-delusion.” (Mind you, he was trying to draw a parallel between Christ and Sabbatai Ravi. It doesn’t go as far as he thinks.) When a man is far-removed from the truth, he can contort his reason in all manner of ways.

If everyone lived a Catholic life, visions such as this would not happen, and we would not need special prayers like the Rosary. We need the prayers because of the deplorable condition humanity has allowed herself to fall into- especially the baptised! Otherwise, you will get sucked into the world, which is at war with God, and will do damn near anything to avoid Him, who is obvious in everything.

 

[oppositeman]

So, as a warning, that would not work for everyone…In order for God to warn everyone, something will have to be done, that no one can question or scientifically explain as something else, what this could be though, is beyond me.

if a person doesn’t want to believe there is nothing God can do about it - by our free-will we have the ability to deny or not accept what God offers us - all He can do is show is our sins and call us to repent and change our behavior.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

if a person doesn’t want to believe there is nothing God can do about it - by our free-will we have the ability to deny or not accept what God offers us - all He can do is show is our sins and call us to repent and change our behavior.

Unless a person responds to the grace which draws them to receive the gift of faith, which comes from God alone, regardless of the warnings, they will not have faith, which is transforming.

Faith is a gift, it is God’s revelation of himself to us, however that may happen.

Belief is a choice, but it’s fragile and can be changed by events that have nothing to do with God.

Faith is what gives us the fortitude to remain strong through the storms.

The most dangerous thing happening in our world today is not people living lifestyles centered on consuming or sexual immorality per se, but rather, their apathy toward faith.

They just don’t care about God or the need for God and as a result, they don’t seek him and many in fact reject grace which God provides them in order to draw them closer to Him.

On the other hand, too many latch on things of the spiritual nature in the occult, even though they don’t believe in the occult, they still dabble in it, so that a small part of them does believe in a spiritual world, just not one that a “god” has anything to do with.

Jim

 

[Pat_Albertson]

Pat - I have 2 thoughts - I believe that God’s plan is leading to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ - the beginning of the plan, chastisements and the division and decay of the Catholic Church, is just beginning to become apparent.

I have wondered about that too. It seems to me though, that the bulk of the populace that has ever lived has to, by the laws of chance and statistics, lead a rather ordinary life in an ordinary time. The implication here is that the odds would have this be, as is so often said, “The best of times, and the worst of times”, and, I might add, a time pretty much like any other time. Mediocrity is the rule. Under the assumption of mediocrity, one can’t expect anything (including the era one lives in) to be extraordinary.

There is an exception though, and it was detailed in a book about the end of the world: The End of the World: The Science and Ethics of Human Extinction

There is also a nice little pdf which takes a somewhat different viewpoint: THE DOOMSDAY ARGUMENT AND THE SELF-INDICATION ASSUMPTION: REPLY TO OLUM I think they do a reasonable job of explaining the odds though.

In brief (and I am doubtful of my ability to adequately convey the idea here) if the human race were to die shortly after it’s greatest population number (think of a species that has outstripped the available food resources – humans might, when times get tough and a lot of people are frustrated, angry and frightened, resort to NBC warfare over food, water, etc.) and if that time was now or soon, we would still be average because we would still be near the greatest living number of humans. The people who would not be average would be all those who came before us, especially those who lived long long ago.

Second - It sounds to me that you are suffering purification by Christ - to make you fit for his new Kingdom on earth.

I am by nature a pessimist, so in a way, that sounds rather optimistic to me. I hope it is true. Also, if it is, I hope these things end up strengthening me enough to withstand the chastisements to come before Christ’s rule comes to pass in an undeniable and very explicit way.

I think it would be wonderful to see Christ’s rule come to pass if one was adequately prepared, terrible and frightening if one was not. I would like to see my guardian angel too, but although I have asked for this often, it hasn’t happened. I have a vague idea that my guardian angel might present to me as a female, but of course I don’t really know.

Not long ago, I had a medical procedure in which I was given anesthesia. I was hopeful that I might have a near death experience, but nothing of the sort transpired other than the usual waking up from being knocked out.

Anyway, thank you for responding to my post.