Has Lady Gaga finally taken things too far? Singer is slammed by disability groups after performing on stage in a wheelchair

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nicolep said:
Full front pics of Gaga in a mermaid get-up in a wheel chair? I didn’t see the “offending” piece. Did she show too much fin?
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You are aware, of course, that you have just offended all people of Finnish descent?
 
estesbob said:
You are aware, of course, that you have just offended all people of Finnish descent?
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Why this is the 2nd time tonight you’ve made a joke estesbob! 😛

I personally feel that she has offended mermaids. They do not need wheelchairs to get around, they don’t even want to be on the ground, they want to swim and… flound?

Alas, I was not meant to be a poet. At least my rhyming was better than Gaga’s.
 
LemonAndLime said:
Why this is the 2nd time tonight you’ve made a joke estesbob! 😛

I personally feel that she has offended mermaids. They do not need wheelchairs to get around, they don’t even want to be on the ground, they want to swim and… flound?

Alas, I was not meant to be a poet. At least my rhyming was better than Gaga’s.
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Well, actually it’s late afternoon here in the mountains and we don’t have any mermaids around here although a huge bull elk did poke his head through my openoffice door a while ago- scared the heck out of me!
 
Arkadin said:
Who decides (what deserves to be called art)?
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I’d say it’s the consumers – the people deciding what they will pay to see, listen to, download or otherwise consume. But even something that is art can still have a negative impact on society, if it leads people away from what is good. Consumers can and should decide whether the art on which they might spend time and money is artistically and morally worthy. Perhaps my biggest problem with Mapplethorpe is that his “art” received federal dollars, thus taking the freedom away from consumers to choose not to support it.

I think artists can do themselves a disservice when they insist that all art is of equal value. If art cannot be substandard or even mediocre, can it ever truly be great?

Really, though, I think the whole wheelchair controversy is a bit ridiculous. I don’t think Lady Gaga had any intention of putting down people in wheelchairs, and I rather wonder if it, in this case, the people who claim to be offended aren’t just looking for something to be offended about. As a Catholic, I find the message of her song “Born This Way” much more troubling, though I wouldn’t use the term offensive.
 
estesbob said:
Well, actually it’s late afternoon here in the mountains and we don’t have any mermaids around here although a huge bull elk did poke his head through my openoffice door a while ago- scared the heck out of me!
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It’s 22:12pm here as I type that.

Why that sounds dangerous. No mermaids around here, although I’m not so sure about the couple down the street, they appear to be constantly running a sack race (when you stand in a sack and try and jump to the finish line without getting out of the sack).
 
Of course, folks who saw Darryl Hannah in “Splash” know that a mermaid’s tail turns into a pair of legs when dry.
 
"Arkadin:
Who decides (what deserves to be called art)?
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bquinnan said:
I’d say it’s the consumers – the people deciding what they will pay to see, listen to, download or otherwise consume.
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Does that mean that if an artist dies in obscurity without anyone appreciating his talent, that it isn’t really art until it is discovered a century later?
I think artists can do themselves a disservice when they insist that all art is of equal value. If art cannot be substandard or even mediocre, can it ever truly be great?
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Agreed.
 
Arkadin said:
This wasn’t indecent though. I guess she hasn’t commented on the reason behind it (unless I overlooked it in the article), so we do not know what her intentions are. She was wearing a mermaid tail while being in the wheelchair. That’s an interesting combination and I’m curious about the artistic reasoning behind it.

People are too easily offended these days, it’s ridiculous.
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How do you feel about crucifixes in jars of urine? Some call that art as well. How about offensive depictions of Our Lady?

Do these offend you? Or are these “different”
 
ringil said:
How do you feel about crucifixes in jars of urine? Some call that art as well. How about offensive depictions of Our Lady?

Do these offend you? Or are these “different”
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I feel this is a set up, so I will refuse to answer.
 
Arkadin said:
I feel this is a set up, so I will refuse to answer.
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I wouldn’t call it a set up. I am pointing out a possible flaw in your statement that “People are too easily offended.”

People are offended at different things. Who is to say which folks are being “too easily” offended.

Feelings are neither right or wrong- they just are.
 
nicolep said:
Full front pics of Gaga in a mermaid get-up in a wheel chair? I didn’t see the “offending” piece. Did she show too much fin?
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If you scroll down through ALL the pictures you may note that her “baggage” [to put it discreetly] is quite noticeable.
 
ringil said:
I wouldn’t call it a set up. I am pointing out a possible flaw in your statement that “People are too easily offended.”

People are offended at different things. Who is to say which folks are being “too easily” offended.

Feelings are neither right or wrong- they just are.
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Well, I don’t see a flaw that people are often too easily to be offended. I consider those two pieces and any similar pieces of art to be…art.
 
As for “**** Christ” by Serrano, it’s not an attack on religion.
Serrano has not ascribed overtly political content to **** Christ and related artworks, on the contrary stressing their ambiguity. He has also said that while this work is not intended to denounce religion, it alludes to a perceived commercializing or cheapening of Christian icons in contemporary culture.[7]
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In fact, a catholic nun defended the piece talking about how it reflects what present society has done to Christ.

Strangely, this past April…a group of christians put a screwdriver or icepick to a print of the photo. I find that to be disturbing and very intolerant.
 
Arkadin said:
Well, I don’t see a flaw that people are often too easily to be offended. I consider those two pieces and any similar pieces of art to be…art.
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Well, I’m all with you sir! 👍

It is common here on CAF who do have this kind of double standard.
 
ringil said:
Well, I’m all with you sir! 👍

It is common here on CAF who do have this kind of double standard.
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So it’s a double standard if I don’t find a pop singer doing a song while sitting in a wheelchair as egregious as immersing an image of our Lord and Savior in a bottle of urine?
 
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