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bingbang
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As in there is no possible way that they could go back on those beliefs in the future. Are these teachings infallible?
Has the church infallibly claimed that gay marriage and ABC are sinful and wrong?
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1ke
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Yes the Church’s teaching regarding the Sacrament of Marriage is doctrine and unchangeable.
Yes the Church’s teaching about the proper use of sexual faculties in and outside of marriage (homsexual sex acts, contraception, et. al.) are part of the deposit of faith-- specifically the moral law regarding the sixth commandment-- and therefore unchangeable.
Yes the Church’s teaching about the proper use of sexual faculties in and outside of marriage (homsexual sex acts, contraception, et. al.) are part of the deposit of faith-- specifically the moral law regarding the sixth commandment-- and therefore unchangeable.
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curlycool89
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Just to expand on that, the reason is that it is impossible. The proper matter for the Sacrament of Marriage is one man and one women. There can be no other combination; anything else would be invalid.
It’s much like the Eucharst where proper matter is wheaten bread and wine. Potato chips and root beer sure taste better, but they can’t be used because they aren’t proper matter. They would not become the body and blood of Christ even if the right words and actions are said. In the same way, there can be no marriage between 2 men or 2 women because if just doesn’t work.
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Apollos
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Yes, both are infallible. Just keep in mind that a teaching can still be infallible even if it isn’t defined solemnly by a pope.
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distracted
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hmm… i didn’t know that… i thought Infallible meant that those 4 criteria have been met…
don’t know if i recall them all but one is that he has the intention of proclaiming something infallible…
ok, i found them:
Criteria for Infallibility
1.The Pope must speak Ex Cathedra (from the Chair of Peter) in his official capacity.
2.The decision must be binding on the whole Church.
3.It must be on a matter of faith or morals.
4.He must be intending to teach.
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edwest2
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Why this great urgency to find some way out of traditional Church teaching? Pope Paul II declared that the Church has no authority to ordain women and that this must be definitely held by all the faithful, yet we still get women priests threads here.
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. In the past, when challenged, the Church had to elaborate on certain truths for the sake of the questionners. Nothing new was added, but in order to clear up any questions, the Church wrote detailed explanations.
I think the better question is: if the world wishes to change something that has been part of Church teaching, then why?
Perhaps individuals should examine what the Church has written and go from there:
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
God bless,
Ed
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. In the past, when challenged, the Church had to elaborate on certain truths for the sake of the questionners. Nothing new was added, but in order to clear up any questions, the Church wrote detailed explanations.
I think the better question is: if the world wishes to change something that has been part of Church teaching, then why?
Perhaps individuals should examine what the Church has written and go from there:
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
God bless,
Ed
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Apollos
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Right - for papal infallibility. Decisions of ecumenical councils and the ordinary universal teachings of the bishops are also infallible. The Church as a whole is also infallible in what it believes. Gay marriage and contraception are definitely covered under the ordinary magisterium. The teaching of *Humanae Vitae *is, in my opinion, ex cathedra as well.
Awesome being Catholic, ain’t it?
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Corki
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Those are the four conditions for the extra-ordinary exercise of papal infallibility. The ordinary exercise of papal infallibility is the more common. For the ordinary exercise, replace #1 with “the Pope must be expressing what has been consistently taught by the Church”.
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bingbang
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But things change in the church. What has been consistently taught by the church doesn’t make something right.
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Corki
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Can you give an example of when that has occurred? Something that was consistently taught by the Magesterium that was later changed?
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distracted
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hmmm… i didn’t know we had to believe what the bishops all taught… How can this be since the bishops disagree w/ the pope at times?
the disagreed in 1966 over artif birth contrl.
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nickybr38
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I was just typing this same reply but couldn’t think of the right words. Thanks for writing down my thoughts for me.
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edwest2
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bingbang
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I haven’t been to a latin mass recently.
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distracted
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so what if he’s not?
a lot of people think that JP II taught things not ordinarily/traditionally taught bythe Church… like he taught that all religions are good (i think he even called them all great
) & lead to God…Yikes… definitely contradicts Pope Eugene the 4th and others… lots of others… including saints…
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Lutheranteach
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I wonder how many of those involved with the Church’s decision on ABC would change their opinion/vote if they could do it again tomorrow.
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edwest2
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It was 1968 when Pope Paul VI had Humanae Vitae published. It was some priests and some theologians who disagreed. Pope Paul VI was quite clear in Humanae Vitae. At the time, the perverted Sexual Revolution was just getting off the ground. Pope Paul VI realized what would happen next, and sadly, it did.hmmm… i didn’t know we had to believe what the bishops all taught… How can this be since the bishops disagree w/ the pope at times?
the disagreed in 1966 over artif birth contrl.
God bless,
Ed
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bingbang
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So the question still stands…if somehow the church has some change of spirit, calls vatican III, could they change their stance on gay marriage and ABC?so what if he’s not?
a lot of people think that JP II taught things not ordinarily/traditionally taught bythe Church… like he taught that all religions are good (i think he even called them all great
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edwest2
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That’s it? I started out with the Latin Mass and then English. I don’t see much support for your argument.
God bless,
Ed
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edwest2
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Reference please?so what if he’s not?
a lot of people think that JP II taught things not ordinarily/traditionally taught bythe Church… like he taught that all religions are good (i think he even called them all great
God bless,
Ed
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