Has the #MeToo movement become a witch-hunt to a significant degree?

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A leader of the me too movement, Cristina Garcia, has been accused of sexual misconduct against two men, a staffer and a lobbyist. Their accusations of her sexual misconduct against them are similar.

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Sexual misconduct accusations against California assemblywoman twist gender dynamics of #MeToo movement

A Los Angeles-area assemblywoman has voluntarily taken leave of her seat Friday after facing allegations of sexual harassment, an unusual twist of the gender dynamics shaping the misconduct controversies engulfing California’s state Capitol.
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starshiptrooper said:
The data I trust indicates that potentially 40% of all rape claims are false. That is a huge number and makes it rather dangerous to just believe survivors like feminists insist, no?
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Where are you getting your data from? Roosh V? r/TheRedPill? Bill Cosby?
 
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That sounds like an open-minded and genuine inquiry with no connection to the genetic fallacy.
 
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DarkLight said:
The Steubenville case was another one - there was a lot of public focus on how awful it was that the young men’s lives were ruined, including in major media networks, and much of the town sided against her.
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Don’t even get me started it on that appalling case.
 
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Yeah - there’s no reason that her being a woman suddenly makes it acceptable.
 
DarkLight said:
Honestly it can have nothing at all to do with anything sexual too. We suspect I have some sort of subclinical sensory processing thing. If I’m overwhelmed, touching me is going to get a mental response of “you’re providing ANOTHER (name removed by moderator)ut to deal with, get off,” likely combined with pulling away. I’ve definitely had people get upset with me over that - if I’m already overstressed, the last thing I want is someone touching me.
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Who is “we?”
 
AlNg said:
A leader of the me too movement, Cristina Garcia, has been accused of sexual misconduct against two men, a staffer and a lobbyist. Their accusations of her sexual misconduct against them are similar.
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Yes, I think women are just as guilty of sexual misconduct and inappropriate touching as men. Obviously, they don’t have the equipment to forcibly rape.
 
ConstantLearner said:
Yes, I think women are just as guilty of sexual misconduct and inappropriate touching as men. Obviously, they don’t have the equipment to forcibly rape.
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I feel obligated to point out that there are definitely ways for women to commit forcible rape. It’s not just defined as forcible penetration with a penis anymore. Manual acts, for example, count.
ConstantLearner said:
Who is “we?”
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Generic term of myself and various other people I’ve talked to and dealt with. Doesn’t include anyone on CAF. Point is, I don’t much like being touched in general, outside of fairly specific circumstances, and if I’m upset it’s quite irritating.
 
starshiptrooper said:
We would have to settle on a workable definition of consent first.
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Absolutely. Without workable definitions of things like “relative stranger” and “inappropriate touching,” etc. there can’t even be a productive discussion.
 
ConstantLearner said:
Obviously, they don’t have the equipment to forcibly rape.
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The US Department of Justice defines rape as “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” A woman CAN forcibly rape someone, either by forcing them to penetrate her, or by penetrating them with non-sex organ “equipment.” Sorry to be gross, but it’s important for people to know that a penis doesn’t have to be involved for a sexual assault to be considered rape.
 
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TheAmazingGrace said:
The US Department of Justice defines rape as “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” A woman CAN forcibly rape someone, either by forcing them to penetrate her, or by penetrating them with non-sex organ things. Sorry to be gross, but it’s important for people to know that a penis doesn’t have to be involved for a sexual assault to be considered rape.
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Many states are now including other acts, such as any direct stimulation of the genitals. The justice department definition is, imo, somewhat inadequate.

(It’s worth noting some states don’t have a crime called “rape” per se. It’s a crime in every state, but a lot might call it “first-degree sexual assault” or something.)
 
DarkLight said:
Many states are now including other acts, such as any direct stimulation of the genitals. The justice department definition is, imo, somewhat inadequate.
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I agree that the DOJ definition could use some more inclusive reworking. I only brought it up to bolster my point that forced genital contact shouldn’t be disqualified as rape just because a penis wasn’t involved.
 
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Thanks, but I was talking about these definitions, which seem to be pretty ambiguous right now:

“relative stranger”
“inappropriate touching"
 
You said women don’t have the equipment to forcibly rape. That’s what I was addressing.
 
starshiptrooper said:
We would have to settle on a workable definition of consent first.
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I thought it was verbal, written, and thumb print consent.

Plus both parties must have been ‘equally enthusiastic’ as they recall the encounter over the subsequent days/weeks/years.
 
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