Has the #MeToo movement become a witch-hunt to a significant degree?

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Cruciferi said:
Whether it’s objectifying women or recreational sex, its ALL WRONG. We got here today after many decades of perdition. Society can only change by following the Catholic Church.
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Sexual harassment and rape were still problems in the more “conservative” eras preceding the Sexual Revolution and our “decades of perdition.” It’s fallacious to assume that there’s a correlation between social acceptance of casual sex and the incidents of sexual abuse, or that Catholics are less likely to engage in such abuse.
 
Let me be frank. If you follow Church teaching this kind of filth shouldn’t happen. I never said it didn’t happen; however, society reaps what it sowed and now you have a greater mess than before. Free sex and glorifying the pursuit of pleasure has and will continue to lead to scandals. What is your antidote to society? What should we change?
 
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Cruciferi said:
Free sex and glorifying the pursuit of pleasure has and will continue to lead to scandals. What is your antidote to society? What should we change?
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Scandals still happened before free sex was an acceptable thing. I think it’s unrealistic to think society can convert to Catholicism in a mass revival anytime soon.
 
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Once again you miss the point. I never said we didn’t have scandals; however, things are getting progressively worse and God is our only answer! Following Church teaching on Marriage, Family, and Human Sexuality is the only antidote. We can and must change. Throwing our hands up and saying it’s too hard will accomplish nothing.
 
Cruciferi said:
Free sex and glorifying the pursuit of pleasure has and will continue to lead to scandals.
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Also, you can’t blame free sex for the entirety of these stories, as there wasn’t any in many instances. Free sex had nothing to do with the sex abuse scandal in the Church, Dr. Nassar raping the gymnasts, Terry Crews getting groped at a party, Kevin Spacey almost raping a boy, or the majority of Harvey Weinstein’s offenses, just to name a few.
 
Cruciferi said:
I never said we didn’t have scandals; however, things are getting progressively worse and God is our only answer!
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Are things getting worse, or are sexual abuses just getting better coverage now than in years past?
 
Cruciferi said:
Following Church teaching on Marriage, Family, and Human Sexuality is the only antidote. We can and must change.
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You’re not accounting for sick people, though. Sick people will do what they want regardless of society’s standards.
 
Kei said:
I think there need to be lie detector tests to determine if some are telling the truth and if a false accusation crops up, there would be a thorough investigation and if it is found it is indeed false, legal action can be taken against them.
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And if someone ever invents a lie detector that actually works, that might be a good idea. Until then, though, it’s just a fantasy.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
You’re not accounting for sick people, though. Sick people will do what they want regardless of society’s standards
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But how many people will question these sick persons actions? What will prompt a person to take the moral high ground when they could lose everything by being a whistle blower? Remember, things were swept under the rug and a blind eye was turned for a long time.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
I know several victims of rape/pedophilia/incest who never got justice:
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There was a guy in my extended family who molested two generations of the girls in the family.

It did eventually become common knowledge in the family, but he was never punished, while some of the girls he molested are still struggling to live normal lives.
 
It’s the wrong solution to problems that need to be nipped in the bud much earlier. That is, at the time they happened. By employees who call perpetrators out on their bad behaviour and more importantly, employers who listen and care about having a harassment free workplace.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Are things getting worse, or are sexual abuses just getting better coverage now than in years past?
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I contend things are getting worse. We’re only hearing high profile cases and not a lot about what is happening in everyday relationships.
 
Cruciferi said:
I contend things are getting worse. We’re only hearing high profile cases and not a lot about what is happening in everyday relationships.
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Actually, the prevalence of rape is WAY down in the US. The Wikipedia article on “Rape in the United States” says:

“Over the last four decades, rape has been declining. According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, the adjusted per-capita victimization rate of rape has declined from about 2.4 per 1000 people (age 12 and above) in 1980 (that is, 2.4 persons from each 1000 people 12 and older were raped during that year) to about 0.4 per 1000 people, a decline of about 85%.”

So, yes, the publicity is a product of more reporting.

I believe the same is true of child molestation–it’s way down these days.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Free sex had nothing to do with the sex abuse scandal in the Church, Dr. Nassar raping the gymnasts, Terry Crews getting groped at a party, Kevin Spacey almost raping a boy, or the majority of Harvey Weinstein’s offenses, just to name a few.
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The distortion of human sexuality, throughout the 20th century, has caused some people to devolve into animals pursuing pleasure. They’ll extract this by any means possible.
 
Cruciferi said:
What will prompt a person to take the moral high ground when they could lose everything by being a whistle blower?
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Personal integrity, which people can and do have independent of religion.
 
Cruciferi said:
The distortion of human sexuality, throughout the 20th century, has caused some people to devolve into animals pursuing pleasure. They’ll extract this by any means possible.
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Again, sexual abuse is not a recent phenomenon, and pretending like it is isn’t helping the issue.
 
Lie detectors are fairly successful. It’s just the opening thing that would be done to avoid doing super in depth cases every allegation.
Then if that fails, then it moved onto a very careful and thorough investigation into matters, and base things on that.
 
My uncle was falsely accused of sexually abusing a child. It almost killed him due to his bad heart, and left people wondering about both him and his diocese. Some people think that would mean I would want to be extra cautious regarding accusations and the like.

But then I remember thirty years or so ago. Going to a trial and the lawyer taking advantage of two children who couldn’t get their dates correct because there was a PD Day involved. The lawyer taking advantage that a good man who was a family doctor that didn’t take a whole body picture, just one photo of the upper body and one of the lower - which resulted in said doctor being devastated and carrying that with himself for the rest of his life that. The lawyer who took advantage of a child who was given inaccurate medical information regarding how certain physical signs came to be.

By all accounts, it’s his word against those kids - made evident when he lied under oath. His wife at the time also lied under oath. All of this led to a not-guilty verdict, and a woman who risked everything to protect those kids. In high school, teachers saying “why don’t you talk to him?”. “He’s a good man”. “He didn’t do what what was said”. They didn’t believe that kid.

Listen, I’m all for allowing due process to happen. Follow the evidence. But at the end of the day, I’m 100% fine with people coming forward.

Because I know what he did. I know everything that he did.
 
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