Has the #MeToo movement become a witch-hunt to a significant degree?

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Episode 2 of this podcast discusses it from a Catholic perspective:
http://www.wcatradio.com/fireaway.html

There’s a corresponding article to it:

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A Catholic Man's Response to #MeToo

Let’s begin this article with a controversial statement: Toxic masculinity is real and has been since near the beginning of human existence. (Note: so too has toxic femininity, but it’s not the topic of this article.) Many men hate this indictment and resist it. After all, who wants to be...
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Comment I should specify up front: “Toxic masculinity” never meant that all masculinity is bad. It means there are certain things that are held up as masculinity that are bad - an example might be measuring a man’s worth by how many women he can sleep with.
 
That is definitely addressed in the article.

Toxic masculinity as opposed to true masculinity is like comparing Hugh Hefner to Saint Pope John Paul II.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Oh, please. Sexual immorality’s been around since the beginning of time. If you think kids didn’t get raped by their teachers or people in general didn’t screw around prior to the sexual revolution, then you’re sorely mistaken.
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Sure, it has, but it was wrong then and wrong now.
 
ConstantLearner said:
Sure, it has, but it was wrong then and wrong now.
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TAG was responding to Wretched1 who said:
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The sexual liberation movement called people to have a disordered emphasis of their own sexual gratification over all else. What do you think they mean by “If it feels good, do it.” I defy you to produce any reference from Modernist sexual ethos pertaining to anything other than one’s own sexual gratification. The idea of “decency” is openly scorned. How else would it be possible to find so many stories of female adult teachers sexually abusing school aged children? This absolutely is the rotten fruit of the Modern sexual revolution.
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Wretched1 was making the case that the modern era is particularly terrible with regard to sexual sin. No doubt that is true in certain areas, but it is certainly the case that contemporary Americans are more militantly, systematically interested in prosecuting sex crimes against children than has ever been the case. (I suspect that more women are being prosecuted for sex abuse against children than at any previous time.)

I’d also point out that there are and have been many traditional cultures where frequenting prostitutes was simply a matter of course (with potentially deadly consequences for the man’s future wife and unborn children). We have comparatively little tolerance for clients of prostitutes nowadays.

Obviously, everything isn’t all roses, but there are areas where the contemporary US does a very decent job.
 
That’s fairly new right? I’m guessing it’s the reaction to the very symptoms about which these #people are expressing frustration?
 
Xantippe said:
–February is a slow month for big new movies (the big releases are usually Christmas or summer), so it’s easier to look big in February.

–It’s being sold as a Valentine’s film. (Yeah, I know.)

–The movie-going audience is slowly shrinking–fewer tickets were sold in 2017 than in 1997, despite the fact that the population is growing.
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Not saying it was your intent, but none of your bullets really explain or excuse the hypocrisy among us for making this movie so relatively popular.
 
All well and good, except the proponents of toxic masculinity never give us an instance of non-toxic masculinity that would be unique to men.
 
Xantippe hinted at the correct answer earlier with her remark about setting 50 Shades in a trailer park turning it into a horror movie.
 
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Theo520 said:
Not saying it was your intent, but none of your bullets really explain or excuse the hypocrisy among us for making this movie so relatively popular.
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I was attempting to explain how FSOG could be a February blockbuster without being the last word on What Women Really Want.
 
Oh yes it is. It prevents the rule of law. These women have every option to file charges and in a court of law the accused have the right to face their accuser. The male is automatically guilty if a female accuses them.
 
Xantippe said:
I was attempting to explain how FSOG could be a February blockbuster without being the last word on What Women Really Want.
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Why did you add such a qualification?

That it has any popularity points to our perverse and inconsistent cultural attitudes towards power and sexual violence. In the real world he would be equally rich, and dominant, but 10-30 yrs older. He would also be vilified as abusive, not a pin-up.
 
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Why did you add such a qualification?
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Because SST believes that FSOG explains what all women secretly want, even the ones who haven’t read the books, haven’t watched the movies, or have read and watched them but didn’t like them.

It’s just putting too much weight on a particular cultural phenomenon. I could just as easily argue that the Jane Austen craze of recent years demonstrates that women want to fall in love with, marry and raise children with respectable, prosperous men.
 
philipl said:
Oh yes it is. It prevents the rule of law. These women have every option to file charges and in a court of law the accused have the right to face their accuser. The male is automatically guilty if a female accuses them.
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Aren’t you assuming that everything being complained about is criminal? Is one not allowed to complain publicly about non-criminal activity, like greasy spoons at a restaurant or badly done work by a contractor? This seems very ad hoc.

Also, as a matter of fact, people sometimes did try to pursue criminal avenues, and it went nowhere, because the person involved was too well-connected–for example, Weinstein. It’s only now that the accusations are public and it’s clear that there were dozens of victims that the police is pursuing charges against him. Without publicity and a large number of accusations (which you wouldn’t get without publicity), they wouldn’t touch him.

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LAPD Submits Three Harvey Weinstein Sex Cases to District Attorney

The D.A.'s office is now reviewing five cases against the disgraced producer, including two from Beverly Hills PD.
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Too cheap to pay to read!

I don’t think “women can fantasize about domination but still insist on consent” is exactly how SST would put it.

I would say that it’s entirely logically consistent to not only fantasize about domination but do it in real life…inside a framework of consent. It’s possible to do both things at the same time.
 
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