Has the practice of Communion in the hand really strengthened and clarified ourfaith?

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Kielbasi:
Its not even news. Its one thing to expect the laity to know the rules (which is sometimes tough enough when they are changing regularly) but to expect everyone to remember the preference of a particular priest (in this case the pope) as well is a bit much.

Anyone could have made the mistake in question
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Since the communicant was from France, I don’t see why she would have thought Communion in the hand was okay. I don’t think that either France or Italy have an indult (which is what we have in the US) to receive Communion in the hand. so in this situation it is not the preference of a particular priest, the pope, but the universally established norm of receiving on the tongue.
 
Kielbasi said:
**Its neither strengthened nor weakened **the belief, so the correct answer is “no”.

But the communion-in-the-hand procedure is here to stay, as communion-on-the-tongue is a bit awkward for many of the EM’s to handle easily.

A 5’1" EM trying to give communion on the tongue to a 6’5" communicant is just plain awkward.
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I personally don’t think the “it’s difficult of Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion” is a valid reason to keep the practice of recieving in the hand and it is rather offensive as well. To me EMHC are just busy bodies who want to pretend they are priests And the poor priests who have heeded God’s calling just keep getting pushed back to the sidelines by those who have a little too much zeal. It’s time to make the priests important again unless we want to continue with this shortage to vocations.
 
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Kielbasi:
Its not even news. Its one thing to expect the laity to know the rules (which is sometimes tough enough when they are changing regularly) but to expect everyone to remember the preference of a particular priest (in this case the pope) as well is a bit much.

Anyone could have made the mistake in question
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Kiel, not picking on you, but your posts bring up points that just seem to beg for responses.

When communion is done one way around the world, no one has to remember anyone’s preference. 😉
 
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BulldogCath:
Great post and follow up-why does it seem that only us Catholics are so willing to throw away tradition and worse yet past teachings by Saints and alike when other faiths cling to theirs and revere it? We are more in tune with our own American history than we are with our own church and it is God we are going to be answering to -as we will all be judged, and not some President
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Just in the interests of fairness, I challenge you to find a Protestant denomination over 100 years old that has preserved intact the teachings of its founding father. My bet is that if you do find one it will be in pretty lonely company.
 
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TNT:
Any tradition in the Church that has even a hint of Catholic exclusive practice will be removed. In the case of this thread, it’s to demote the sacredness (Real Presence) of the species, exclusive to the Catholic Church vs prot churches.
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Actually, the pope thinks that such distinctively Catholic things as Marian doctrines will be a help toward ecumenism.

For instance:
Perhaps too, there are some who fear that the Rosary is somehow unecumenical because of its distinctly Marian character. Yet the Rosary clearly belongs to the kind of veneration of the Mother of God described by the Council: a devotion directed to the Christological centre of the Christian faith, in such a way that “when the Mother is honoured, the Son … is duly known, loved and glorified”.(8) If properly revitalized, the Rosary is an aid and certainly not a hindrance to ecumenism! (Rosarium Virginis Mariae 4)

Not that you should let the Pope’s own writings get in the way of your opinion.
 
Stone Cold:
Removing the communion rail is not just detremental because it gives the faithful the false idea that kneeling for communion is no longer allowed.
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Actually, in the dioceses of the United States it isn’t allowed. Thank your Conference of Catholic Bishops for that gem.

Sorry for the solo string of posts. No one’s really awake for a back and forth with an insomniac college student.
 
Andreas Hofer:
Actually, in the dioceses of the United States it isn’t allowed. Thank your Conference of Catholic Bishops for that gem.

Sorry for the solo string of posts. No one’s really awake for a back and forth with an insomniac college student.
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What is no longer allowed, the communion rails or kneeling at the communion rails?
 
AH,
Im pretty sure that people have posted specific sources saying that it cannot be denied to anyone who wants to kneel
 
Catholic Dude:
AH,
Im pretty sure that people have posted specific sources saying that it cannot be denied to anyone who wants to kneel
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Yes, I understand that we can kneel if we wish to I’m just trying to clarify what Andreas meant. Thank you.
 
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GloriaPatri4:
It seems from reading other threads on this issue there are a lot of misguided people out there keeping the Eucharist and it’s not because they received it from the Holy Father.
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What other threads are you reading?

I can only recall, maybe, two or three threads where this was brought up and really only one actual eye witness that saw a person walk away from the EMHC with the Eucharist in hand, we do not know if they later consummed it in the pews.

Also you article speaks of the issue of keeping it becuase they got it from the Holy Father.

So I must agree with pnewton’s comment on this poll and the apparent agenda.

What do you define as “a lot”?
 
How could it?

The idea that Communion in the hand could “strengthen faith” is sheer nonsense. Its effect is to bring about the exact opposite, a weakening of faith.
 
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romano:
How could it?

The idea that Communion in the hand could “strengthen faith” is sheer nonsense. Its effect is to bring about the exact opposite, a weakening of faith.
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How could it do that? Now the agenda rears its head.
 
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ByzCath:
How could it do that? Now the agenda rears its head.
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Sure it could strengthen our faith to receive communion in our hand…as opposed to not receiving communion at all. Never. What was left unspoken in the poll was the alternative.
 
The way I see it is this:
  1. The reception of Communion at all will help to strengthen faith because of the grace it imparts
  2. The reasons behind receiving Communion in the hand were decided by higher authorities than us (isn’t this why the Church has a heirarchy?)
  3. To infer that to receive Communion in the hand is a lessening of the Sacrament (which is what the thread seems to be subtly implying) is to therefore infer that the Church is allowing “the gates of hell to prevail” in that we are receiving an invalid or weakened Eucharist
  4. It seems there are those who think only a priest should be allowed to touch the Eucharist. Why is this?
It is God’s power that makes Jesus present, why cannot we touch the host with a finger but consume it? I fail to see why Jesus is allowed to be eaten and reside within our bodies dispensing graces but may not sit in a hand for a few seconds prior to consumption. Maybe I am missing something here but the inference that only certain people may “touch” God would run along the same lines as only certain people may “consume” God. So anyone who is worthy to receive the Eucharist is worthy to touch the Eucharist.

To suggest otherwise lends weight to the Protestant argument that the Catholic Mass blasphemes. Teachings that a priest has the power to call Jesus out of Heaven and into the host are given some validity if you say only the priest may touch the host. Note this is not my opinion but I have heard this argument with credibility behind it and to say only priest can touch Eucharist is to give them “undue credit”
 
pnewton said:
**Sure it could strengthen our faith to receive communion in our hand…**as opposed to not receiving communion at all. Never. What was left unspoken in the poll was the alternative.
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pnewton says," SURE (recieving in the hand) could (not for sure , but COULD) strengthen faith.

This absolutely an unthinking statement. You tell me just how faith is strengthened by putting the Eucharist in the grubby hands of the laity.

I do not think you can show how faith is made stronger by putting the Eucharist in a hand…how about putting it in a pocket or in the wallet. FAITH COMES FROM HEARING THE WORD - not from touching a Host with your hands.

I read no Scripture that tells us that the hand is especially holy. Why is it that just lately some people have decided to throw out the centuries old method of recieving the Eucharist? It is the Priests hands that have been sanctified during Mass that are to touch the Eucharist - not the defiled hands of laity.
 
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Exporter:
This absolutely an unthinking statement. You tell me just how faith is strengthened by putting the Eucharist in the grubby hands of the laity.
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I think pnewton’s premise is clear. If it is between not recieving eh Eucharist or recieving it in the hand… It is plain to see how it does so.

I think it falls to you to prove that Eucharist in the hand does as you say it does becuase it is you who is going against what the Church Teaches, not us.
 
No ! In fact, it has opened the Blessed Sacrament to abuse
just as it did in the early church which was the reason it was
decided to give it on the tongue in the first place.
 
Andreas Hofer:
Actually, the pope thinks that such distinctively Catholic things as Marian doctrines will be a help toward ecumenism.

For instance:
Perhaps too, there are some who fear that the Rosary is somehow unecumenical because of its distinctly Marian character.

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I could have sworn I said PRACTICE, not doctrines.
BTW:
The PRACTICE changes (or neglect) will eventually “take care of the doctines”.
Re: The Marian practice of the Rosary. In the TLM Masses, it is today a PRACTICE to say the Rosary before the Mass by tthe whole congregation. After Mass, the priest & congregation say the Hail Mary 3 times.Further, the High Mass of the Anglican Use provision has the Angelus after Mass as a practice.
Now, when does the NOM parish have a regular practice of public Rosary?? When does the NOM have a regular practice of the Angelus??
Lack of practice is eventually a demoting of a doctrine, defacto.
Print out and attach to your fridge what I earlier posted.
If there is one thing that the VATII church practice has neglected, it is the Marian practices. Watch what they DO, NEVER what they give lip service to.
 
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