Has women in the work force helped or hurt the family?

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It has now been a well established fact that women pursue careers at nearly the same rate as men and they work fulltime at nearly the same rate as men. Those numbers have steadily increased for the last three decades. This has been the case long enough to help us create an informed opinion about the impact of these developments.

So, here are a few questions"
  1. Has women working fulltime outside the home been a good or bad development for the American family?
  2. Has our culture improved since women entered the workforce in massive numbers?
  3. Are our children better or worse off?
  4. Has women working fulltime made this nation stronger, weaker, or no impact?
  5. Have our children become stronger or weaker in the faith?
  6. Has entering careers and fulltime work been good or bad for women (and women who are moms)?
**Add on questions for married couples: **
  1. Would women prefer to work and let their husbands stay at home and care for their children? Or, would women rather both spouses work?
  2. Would it better to have men stay at home with the kids, rather then neither parent staying home?
 
I think a distinction needs to be made between women who are mothers and women who are not. The way I would answer each question differs depending on this.
 
I think a distinction needs to be made between women who are mothers and women who are not. The way I would answer each question differs depending on this.
Very good point, yet is it not somewhat accurate to say single female professionals often delay having a family, mainly because they enjoy their careers? Which means there is some impact there as well? Or no?
 
Very good point, yet is it not somewhat accurate to say single female professionals often delay having a family, mainly because they enjoy their careers? Which means there is some impact there as well? Or no?
It’s hard to generalize…
I’ve been working at the same job for 10 years… and I’m currently pregnant with our 4th. :o
 
It’s hard to generalize…
I’ve been working at the same job for 10 years… and I’m currently pregnant with our 4th. :o
It is rare when points apply to everyone…yet generalizations are important to get a view of matters. In this case I think generalizations can give us an overall view, yet that does not mean it applies to you or to every person. 🙂

BTW, many of the questions are things you can directly address because you are in the midst of doing exactly what I outlined. 👍 You view is very important here.
 
I think what really needs to be dispelled is the myth that in the past women were not “in the workforce.” This simply isn’t true. Only women of the nobility, very wealthy women, did not work and even that is a misnomer since women of position and nobility did oversee very vast estates, which was its own job.
 
I think what really needs to be dispelled is the myth that in the past women were not “in the workforce.” This simply isn’t true. Only women of the nobility, very wealthy women, did not work and even that is a misnomer since women of position and nobility did oversee very vast estates, which was its own job.
That is true, yet not in the same numbers or in the same manner as today. In the past the majority of women did not work fulltime, most looked to have families and stay home. That has for decades changed and I am just curious as to what people think.
 
It has now been a well established fact that women pursue careers at nearly the same rate as men and they work fulltime at nearly the same rate as men. Those numbers have steadily increased for the last three decades. This has been the case long enough to help us create an informed opinion about the impact of these developments.

So, here are a few questions"
  1. Has women working fulltime outside the home been a good or bad development for the American family?
I believe it has been a good development for the American family. With women now choosing to continue going to school if that’s what they want, and getting higher educations, I see a vast improvement from when my grandmother didn’t complete the 8th grade because she was just a girl, and when my mom got an associates degree in business because that was the best she could do because she was expected to get married, and then when I earned a double bachelor’s degree and am now a nurse because I can accomplish my goals. Very big improvement. When all members of the family can reach for their dreams by their hard work, I think it can only make a family better and stronger. I know stay at home moms, and I know moms who work outside the home, and as long as it’s their choice, the whole family is happier.
  1. Has our culture improved since women entered the workforce in massive numbers?
Yes it has. To have both partners in a marriage educated and contributing financially is a positive effect. It’s not that women have to work outside the home that is positive, because they have their hands full with home responsibilities. It’s the fact that they have a choice, and can choose either way that has a positive effect.
  1. Are our children better or worse off?
They’re better off because they learn to get along with their peers better, they become more independent, and they use both parents as models and sources of inspiration. There was a time when girls thought that all they could do is grow up and get married and stay at home, having to stifle any dreams of becoming anything other than a school teacher or maybe a nurse. Now they can reach for those dreams because they’ve seen their moms and grandmothers do it. If a woman wants to stay at home and run a household, that’s their choice. If a child aspires to become a lawyer, doctor, accountant, tax preparer, emergency medical personnel, firefighter, teacher, welder, contractor, painter…she can reach for those dreams and not have to stifle them. That’s a good thing and everyone is better off.
  1. Has women working fulltime made this nation stronger, weaker, or no impact?
It has made this nation stronger where accomplishing goals is made into reality by one’s own diligence and hard work, rather than having to throw in the towel in defeat and humilation because one can’t reach for those dreams simply because they’re female. I can’t imagine being so suppressed. What an awful world to live in. That would be Hell. Having both parties work together to achieve not only their personal goals, but common goals - whatever their goals are - makes our nation stronger.
  1. Have our children become stronger or weaker in the faith?
I’ve seen the most religious of families be stronger in the faith, and weaker in the faith. The one thing I’ve correlated between stonger faith and family values is that if the father and mother go to Church regularly, the children are more inclined to do so later when they have a choice. If either parent doesn’t attend regularly without a valid excuse, the children are more likely to not go later. The women working in the family doesn’t mean that she cannot attend mass, and even if one or both parents have to be absent for a while, it’s not forever. That’s usually a temporary situation. If the parents are strong in the faith, their children are more likely to be…that has nothing to do with the woman working or not working.
Add on question for married couples:
  1. Would women prefer to work and let their husbands stay at home and care for their children? Or, would women rather both spouses work?
I’m not married yet, but I wouldn’t mind letting my future husband stay at home and care for the kids and farm…if that’s what he does. And some men do it very well. If I can make enough to support the whole family (unlikely considering today’s economy), then I wouldn’t mind if he stayed home and ran the fort. If I’m working full time, and he’s staying at home, when I come home from work, I want to do nothing more than helping where he didn’t have time to finish, tying up loose ends, and spending time with children together. I’m lucky…I work three or four 12-hour shifts in a row. When I come home, during those work days I don’t have very much time or energy to do much, before going to bed. But there are three to five other days in a row that I can do a lot. But if future hubby chooses to hold down the fort for those three or four days, completely by himself, he’s home free the rest of the days because I’ll be home with him. I think working five 8-hour days is more restrictive…but that’s just me…

However, if my salary is not enough, I do expect him to go out and get a job and earn some income. Just because a woman works, doesn’t mean she’s not a mom too and not still responsible for running the fort. Therefore, it should be the same for the man. If it’s needed for him to go out and get a job, then he should. In an ideal situation, both parents work and both parents run the fort.
 
I believe it has been a good development for the American family. With women now choosing to continue going to school if that’s what they want, and getting higher educations, I see a vast improvement from when my grandmother didn’t complete the 8th grade because she was just a girl, and when my mom got an associates degree in business because that was the best she could do because she was expected to get married, and then when I earned a double bachelor’s degree and am now a nurse because I can accomplish my goals. Very big improvement. When all members of the family can reach for their dreams by their hard work, I think it can only make a family better and stronger. I know stay at home moms, and I know moms who work outside the home, and as long as it’s their choice, the whole family is happier.

Yes it has. To have both partners in a marriage educated and contributing financially is a positive effect. It’s not that women have to work outside the home that is positive, because they have their hands full with home responsibilities. It’s the fact that they have a choice, and can choose either way that has a positive effect.

They’re better off because they learn to get along with their peers better, they become more independent, and they use both parents as models and sources of inspiration. There was a time when girls thought that all they could do is grow up and get married and stay at home, having to stifle any dreams of becoming anything other than a school teacher or maybe a nurse. Now they can reach for those dreams because they’ve seen their moms and grandmothers do it. If a woman wants to stay at home and run a household, that’s their choice. If a child aspires to become a lawyer, doctor, accountant, tax preparer, emergency medical personnel, firefighter, teacher, welder, contractor, painter…she can reach for those dreams and not have to stifle them. That’s a good thing and everyone is better off.

It has made this nation stronger where accomplishing goals is made into reality by one’s own diligence and hard work, rather than having to throw in the towel in defeat and humilation because one can’t reach for those dreams simply because they’re female. I can’t imagine being so suppressed. What an awful world to live in. That would be Hell. Having both parties work together to achieve not only their personal goals, but common goals - whatever their goals are - makes our nation stronger.

I’ve seen the most religious of families be stronger in the faith, and weaker in the faith. The one thing I’ve correlated between stonger faith and family values is that if the father and mother go to Church regularly, the children are more inclined to do so later when they have a choice. If either parent doesn’t attend regularly without a valid excuse, the children are more likely to not go later. The women working in the family doesn’t mean that she cannot attend mass, and even if one or both parents have to be absent for a while, it’s not forever. That’s usually a temporary situation. If the parents are strong in the faith, their children are more likely to be…that has nothing to do with the woman working or not working.

I’m not married yet, but I wouldn’t mind letting my future husband stay at home and care for the kids and farm…if that’s what he does. And some men do it very well. If I can make enough to support the whole family (unlikely considering today’s economy), then I wouldn’t mind if he stayed home and ran the fort. If I’m working full time, and he’s staying at home, when I come home from work, I want to do nothing more than helping where he didn’t have time to finish, tying up loose ends, and spending time with children together. I’m lucky…I work three or four 12-hour shifts in a row. When I come home, during those work days I don’t have very much time or energy to do much, before going to bed. But there are three to five other days in a row that I can do a lot. But if future hubby chooses to hold down the fort for those three or four days, completely by himself, he’s home free the rest of the days because I’ll be home with him. I think working five 8-hour days is more restrictive…but that’s just me…

However, if my salary is not enough, I do expect him to go out and get a job and earn some income. Just because a woman works, doesn’t mean she’s not a mom too and not still responsible for running the fort. Therefore, it should be the same for the man. If it’s needed for him to go out and get a job, then he should. In an ideal situation, both parents work and both parents run the fort.
Wow! Thank you for such a detailed and awesome response and for contributing so strongly to the chat. 🙂
 
I think there are plenty of women out there who are able to give an answer from their own personal experience, I am lucky that I was able to remain at home for much of the time my kids were growing up, now I have no choice but to work and it feels like a brick pulled from a foundation. I married at 30 enjoyed working until then, good job, great perks, my own place, hadn’t thought giving it all up for kids would bring such satisfaction, goes to show. Again this is my experience.
 
I think there are plenty of women out there who are able to give an answer from their own personal experience, I am lucky that I was able to remain at home for much of the time my kids were growing up, now I have no choice but to work and it feels like a brick pulled from a foundation. I married at 30 enjoyed working until then, good job, great perks, my own place, hadn’t thought giving it all up for kids would bring such satisfaction, goes to show. Again this is my experience.
So, since you had that experience from boths sides, how would you answer the general questions? Have things (along the lines of the question points) gotten better, worse, or no real impact?
 
Very good point, yet is it not somewhat accurate to say single female professionals often delay having a family, mainly because they enjoy their careers? Which means there is some impact there as well? Or no?
This is very true, I think…I just mean that sometimes women aren’t necessarily delaying having a family, but are not in a relationship or are not called to marriage. I am in a relationship, and planning to be married, but I would be homeless if I were not able to work and support myself.

I think it’s all a double-edged sword. I think it’s fantastic that I can choose whatever I want as a career. My gifts and talents as a woman are certainly not limited to housekeeping and being a mom, though I value those things tremendously. And, I do not have to depend on finding a spouse for my livelihood, thank goodness. I can marry someone because I love him and want to be his wife, without factoring in an inability to support myself. These are all good things.

However, since women have had more opportunities career-wise, it has made it necessary in many instances, for us to continue to work. Average income has gone up, so the cost of living has gone up. Then when we try to leave the work force, even for a little while, to raise kids, it becomes much harder financially. And then if we try to go back to work later on, there are gaps in our employment history that are unattractive to employers, even though staying home with kids should be the best excuse there is.

Actually, my very first post here on CAF was about trying to balance all of this, and the pursuit of others’ experiences and guidance is what led me here initially. I want to stay home with my future kids, but I am not sure we’ll be able to afford it. In an ideal world, I would be able to stay home until they go to school, and then pick right back up where I left off.

So yes- I think the world is a better place when us women are able to use all of our gifts and talents. But I think the way that society has evolved has made it hard for us to do that.
 
Very good point, yet is it not somewhat accurate to say single female professionals often delay having a family, mainly because they enjoy their careers? Which means there is some impact there as well? Or no?
Single female professionals often delay having a family beause it’s their choice to do so. Graduating from college and starting a career doesn’t result in a big delay unless that’s what the woman wants. College is only four years. One typically graduates from high school at 17/18, with four years of college, graduation is 21/22 … that’s not too old to get married and start having a family so it has nothing to do with whether or not someone is has a career, unless her family is pushing her out the door. And IMOHO, it’s not a positive situation, but rather deterimental to a woman’s self-esteem, to being pressured into getting married and having children, when they have goals they aspire to accomplish first. You can enjoy your career and have a family, many people are doing it. So no, I don’t think having women in the work force has made women delay getting married in and of itself. They know they don’t have to get married like their grandmothers and great grandmothers did, because they can make it on their own. That’s not a bad thing. That’s a good thing.
 
I think there are plenty of women out there who are able to give an answer from their own personal experience, I am lucky that I was able to remain at home for much of the time my kids were growing up, now I have no choice but to work and it feels like a brick pulled from a foundation. I married at 30 enjoyed working until then, good job, great perks, my own place, hadn’t thought giving it all up for kids would bring such satisfaction, goes to show. Again this is my experience.
Exactly my point. If you aspired to grow in a career job, and you did. Then you aspired to run the fort and take care of kids and you did, but were forced by the economy to get a job outside the home, you’re just as unfulfilled right now as a woman who is not allowed to pursue her dream of becomiing a doctor. Choice matters.
 
This is very true, I think…I just mean that sometimes women aren’t necessarily delaying having a family, but are not in a relationship or are not called to marriage. I am in a relationship, and planning to be married, but I would be homeless if I were not able to work and support myself.

I think it’s all a double-edged sword. I think it’s fantastic that I can choose whatever I want as a career. My gifts and talents as a woman are certainly not limited to housekeeping and being a mom, though I value those things tremendously. And, I do not have to depend on finding a spouse for my livelihood, thank goodness. I can marry someone because I love him and want to be his wife, without factoring in an inability to support myself. These are all good things.

However, since women have had more opportunities career-wise, it has made it necessary in many instances, for us to continue to work. Average income has gone up, so the cost of living has gone up. Then when we try to leave the work force, even for a little while, to raise kids, it becomes much harder financially. And then if we try to go back to work later on, there are gaps in our employment history that are unattractive to employers, even though staying home with kids should be the best excuse there is.

Actually, my very first post here on CAF was about trying to balance all of this, and the pursuit of others’ experiences and guidance is what led me here initially. I want to stay home with my future kids, but I am not sure we’ll be able to afford it. In an ideal world, I would be able to stay home until they go to school, and then pick right back up where I left off.

So yes- I think the world is a better place when us women are able to use all of our gifts and talents. But I think the way that society has evolved has made it hard for us to do that.
Thank you. 👍
 
Exactly my point. If you aspired to grow in a career job, and you did. Then you aspired to run the fort and take care of kids and you did, but were forced by the economy to get a job outside the home, you’re just as unfulfilled right now as a woman who is not allowed to pursue her dream of becomiing a doctor. Choice matters.
I wonder though, in a general sense, is that same choice given to men? Or are men, in general, expected to work even if they want to stay home and care for the kids?

Further, do women today miss staying at home with their children, or does the personal fullfillment in a career cover that?

Is there a difference for the children if dad stays home versus mom staying home?
 
When my parents were married, my mother did not work outside the home. But, my father had an affair, impregnated the woman he was seeing on the side, and my mother divorced him. He was ordered to pay $150 a month in child support (in 1945, when you could live on that much).

BUT, my father never paid that court ordered child support. So, we either starved, or my mother had to work.

There is no simple answer to your question. If a mother is working to help provide the necessities of life, then it is necessary. If she is working just to provide luxuries, or to “fulfill her ambitions”, then it is harmful to the children to not have her present.
 
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