I wish it were and I do not support today’s feminist movement. I think feminists have gone too far.
This is taken from John Paul II Letter to Women
Of course, everything JP The Great said is true…and I do not think anyone here would disagree.
I doubt that he would have promoted “protection for working mothers” if he thought mothers should not work.I suspect the Great Pope might have a slightly different take had he answered the questions being posed here. But, that is just my personal conjecture, nothing more.
Thanks for posting this. I mentioned JP’s “Letter to Women” in an earlier post, but didn’t take the time to re-read it for the sake of this thread.
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She does this out of the kindness of her heart. I have the best live-in nanny ever. She is the kind of woman that JP II is talking about ! 
When I come home with my 10 bags of groceries at 7:00 p.m., my live-in nanny will then help me unpack my groceries while my kids play with the bags and packages on the kitchen floor.Oh Patrick…gimme a break! Poooooleeeeezzzzz!Of course, everything JP The Great said is true…and I do not think anyone here would disagree.
However, it absolutely does not address the topic at hand. There is no question whatsoever that women do play, and have played, a critical role in the course of history…anyone who thinks differently has a fool for a master. However, the question at hand is not just specific to women in the work force, it is also about whether women leaving their children in the hands of relative strangers while they work is a good thing or a bad thing for society. JP The Great said nothing about that question, at least nothing I am aware of…so the quotes from him are awesome and true, but they are not important to the question at hand.
I suspect the Great Pope might have a slightly different take had he answered the questions being posed here. But, that is just my personal conjecture, nothing more.
yeah, this is an oft-repeated myth: wordorigins.org/index.php/more/489/
I doubt he would have thought women should work fulltime if they **could **stay at home with their children. Of course, many women have no choice, and I believe that is what the Pope was speaking of, proper respect for and treatment of women in the work force. Yet, I have very little doubt that the Pope would have wanted mothers to stay home with their children whenever possible.I doubt that he would have promoted “protection for working mothers” if he thought mothers should not work.
As far as personal rights are concerned, there is an urgent need to achieve real equality in every area: equal pay for equal work, protection for working mothers, fairness in career advancements, equality of spouses with regard to family rights and the recognition of everything that is part of the rights and duties of citizens in a democratic State. All from JP II’s LetterOf course, everything JP The Great said is true…and I do not think anyone here would disagree.
However, it absolutely does not address the topic at hand. There is no question whatsoever that women do play, and have played, a critical role in the course of history…anyone who thinks differently has a fool for a master. However, the question at hand is not just specific to women in the work force, it is also about whether women leaving their children in the hands of relative strangers while they work is a good thing or a bad thing for society. JP The Great said nothing about that question, at least nothing I am aware of…so the quotes from him are awesome and true, but they are not important to the question at hand.
I suspect the Great Pope might have a slightly different take had he answered the questions being posed here. But, that is just my personal conjecture, nothing more.
One still cannot refute the fact that for a large part of history, women were treated as property and were not give much respect, dignity, or thought. Loving marriages are mostly a construct of the 19th and 20th centuries. While we gasp at arranged marriages in other countries, most marriages were ‘arranged’ in anglo society until recent history. Sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn’t. If they didn’t work well, women had to grin and bear it, as she could not legally own property and would be shunned if she lived alone.
I think it’s awfully presumptuous to claim to know what the Pope would have said about something.
Of course, everything JP The Great said is true…and I do not think anyone here would disagree.
However, it absolutely does not address the topic at hand. There is no question whatsoever that women do play, and have played, a critical role in the course of history…anyone who thinks differently has a fool for a master. However, the question at hand is not just specific to women in the work force, it is also about whether women leaving their children in the hands of relative strangers while they work is a good thing or a bad thing for society. JP The Great said nothing about that question, at least nothing I am aware of…so the quotes from him are awesome and true, but they are not important to the question at hand.
I suspect the Great Pope might have a slightly different take had he answered the questions being posed here. But, that is just my personal conjecture, nothing more.
Seriously…Oh Patrick…gimme a break! Poooooleeeeezzzzz!
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I have enormous respect for women, I feel they often carry the major workload in culture. Seriously.Thanks for posting this. I mentioned JP’s “Letter to Women” in an earlier post, but didn’t take the time to re-read it for the sake of this thread.
Today…I was up all night with my son’s teething…he decided to stop trying to sleep at 5:00 a.m. My husband was nice enough go and get my son and bring him to me. I layed in bed with him bf’ding for about 1/2 hour, but little guy was just not interested in sleeping anymore.
So at 5:30 a.m., I dragged my sorry little ### out of bed and washed my hair in the bath, so my son could put his hands in the water and talk to me.
I am now at work, extremelty exhausted and when work is over, I have to lug my ### to Walmart to do our grocery shopping. Then I have to go home, tend to the kids, do laundry and color my roots
My husband? HA! He didn’t get out of bed until 7:30 a.m. and went back to sleep right after he got my son for me. He got an extra 2 hours of sleep and when he gets home tonight, my live-in nanny will make dinner and feed him
I may be a working mother, but Holy Cow, a SAHM is a working mother too. Us mothers get very little rest.
We are all working mothers.
Fine, I could address some historical exagerations you are making in your post, but will instead let it go.
It’s actually not a myth. It was common law in England until about the time of Queen Elizabeth. I also did my research and while some websites state it as myth, it was English common law before 1500’s.
You could just as easily be addressing this to me, because I’m also “pushed to the point of exhaustion”… but I think you’re being MORE than a little presumptive to assume that my husband is in any way “slacking off”…I have enormous respect for women, I feel they often carry the major workload in culture. Seriously.
Yet, you paint a picture of exactly what I am talking about. You are a caring and loving mother and wife, yet you are often pushed to exhaustion because you also work fulltime. Now, your husband (imo) should be helping more and you should not have to shoulder such larger percentages of the family burden…yet try to imagine how much easier today would be for you if you were a fulltime stay-at-home mom.
I wonder, since you have a stay-at-home nanny and you pay her, just how much would you and your husband have to sacrifice in order for you to dumpy the nanny and you stay home. Just sayin…don’t bite back–that hurts.
Just one final thought: is it not a bit incredible that even though you pay a nanny , you are still exhausted? You pay out all that money, you forfeit time with your child, and you are still exhausted.
I’m not denying that there were abuses, but what she said was wrong, and perpetuating the myth and then saying “but it’s still basically true” does no one any good.
Please provide your sources