Has your parish done anything about the new translations yet?

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I think that these translations are supposed to be a more faithful translation to the Latin. I heard that the translation we have now is a very “loose” translation of the original Latin.
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Yes and no. I read where ICEL originally worded it “May the spirit of the Lord be with you/And also with you” but they decided to keep the second part (the response) and change the first part to “The Lord be with you” which is actually inconsistent with the angel’s appearing to Mary and saying Dominus Tecum “The Lord IS with you.” (“Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord IS with you.”) There is no subjunctive in the Latin. Maybe the next translation will correct this.
 
We have been using the new translation for a couple of months now.

The most difficult response to remember is when we used to say: “And also with you.”

We now say: “And with your spirit.”

So as a result the response of the congreagation, some who remember the new words and some who don’t, is: “And also with you…spirit.”

I think it will take a year for everyone to be in total unity. The older people will take a longer time to change, naturally.
 
chris62 said:
I think it will take a year for everyone to be in total unity. The older people will take a longer time to change, naturally.
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The older people might not take as long as you think, since a lot of the translation is what they were saying back in the mid 60s and what they’d been reading in their Latin/English Missals before that.
 
Phemie said:
The older people might not take as long as you think, since a lot of the translation is what they were saying back in the mid 60s and what they’d been reading in their Latin/English Missals before that.
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This is true to some extent. But the L/E Missals also had a lot of “Ye,” “Thou,” “Thee,” “Thy,” “vouchsafe,” “countenance,” etc. language which most associated the old Mass with and which ICEL felt needed to replace. Many actually welcomed the change into something more like everyday language.
 
Phemie said:
The older people might not take as long as you think, since a lot of the translation is what they were saying back in the mid 60s and what they’d been reading in their Latin/English Missals before that.
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Not to mention that older Catholics have been through this before.
 
The answer to the question about Parishes having done anything yet, depends on where you live. For those of us in Central Europe most of the New Mass is current practice. The changes seem only to affect English speaking countries, i.e. Great Britain, the USA and several others.

I have heard, but not fully understood as yet, that the actual “Rite of Communion” will witness the most important changes. Only the Celebrant will be allowed on the Altar podium until the blessing is complete and he has partaken of the host. This will mean that “assistants” (unless they are also priests) may not approach the Altar until called forward. There has been a growing practice in this country by a number of “liberal” churches, for groups of Church helpers to appear by the Altar at this most reverent part of the service. I have even witnessed children standing between the priest and the host and holding his forearms at this most solemn time. While we have to accept some modernisation I can understand our Church pulling in the reins to maintain some reverence.
 
We’ve had inserts in the bulletin for weeks (months, maybe??), and it’s been mentioned at Mass for at least the past 3 weeks… and then this past week they showed a video (we have a groovy A/V system at our parish) that discussed the updates and how it came about through all the different committees on translations, etc… very informative video.
I think our parish is ready and psyched…
Our pastor has been encouraging us (as the active parishioners) to embrace the updates, so that we have answers and are upbeat when the Christmas-Catholics show up and are confused.
 
In the UK the new peoples responses and the eucharistic prayer were introduced from the begining of september.
some parishes have been giving catachesis calsses on the new translation since around easter.
Our parish priest has failed to give any instruction since a favourable mention in one homily a few months ago.
 
Our Church has been preparing us for many months with announcements, bulletin messages, etc.
But now, we have moved to Europe and the Catholic church in town does not have any masses in English. I want to get a missal for us to follow. The new translation shouldn’t make a difference for us, here, right? Or will the new changes call for a new missal?

Any ideas? 🤷
Thanks!
 
debbiermom said:
Our Church has been preparing us for many months with announcements, bulletin messages, etc.
But now, we have moved to Europe and the Catholic church in town does not have any masses in English. I want to get a missal for us to follow. The new translation shouldn’t make a difference for us, here, right? Or will the new changes call for a new missal?
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You are correct, there is no change for non-English Masses. The official edition is and will remain in Latin. There are no plans for a new missal, AFAIK, but I hear other translations are being changed.
 
We’ve been doing the new translation for three weeks now. The bishop gave special permission. Our priest has been sending stuff in the mail for about a year now. Its been in the bulletin almost every week.
 
We sure have? Our pastor has presented homilies on the New Roman Missal and the new English translation. He started with the theme of “With a Clear Voice” on Pentecost. We organized a day of reflection for all parish staff, volunteers, lectors, catechists, etc. The religious education coordinator (that’s me;) began introducing new vocabulary during Children’s Liturgy of the Word this summer using John Burland’s “And With Your Spirit” CD. This past Sunday our parish introduced the service music–something that our Archbishop has given permission to do early. I am excited for Advent to begin!
 
debbiermom said:
Our Church has been preparing us for many months with announcements, bulletin messages, etc.
But now, we have moved to Europe and the Catholic church in town does not have any masses in English. I want to get a missal for us to follow. The new translation shouldn’t make a difference for us, here, right? Or will the new changes call for a new missal?

Any ideas? 🤷
Thanks!
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I think I know what you are looking for! There is no need to buy a new missal as the cycles will remain the same for at least another three years. What you need is a copy of the new order of service. There a quite a few ‘commercially’ available cards, but I found one here romanmissal.org.uk/ that will print-out on an A4 sheet in landscape mode and can be folded into your old missal - works perfectly for me!
 
We’ve been using it for about a year down here now, and I love it. It seems to have a deeper meaning, more faithful to the orginial Latin, and seems a lot more respectful towards the Eucharist.

However, a few places still have the “read along with” books as a lot of people haven’t been able to memorise it… but I think the real reason is a lot of people don’t bother with weekly Mass so show up every few months and get quite a surprise when we’re praying different words.
 
I just looked at the online bulletin for this week, and they have a whole insert about it. I’m stoked!
 
Last week, I received a handsome pew card in the mail from my parish. It included a letter from the pastor, who says he will be devoting the next two months of homilies to catechesis about the liturgy. No change in homilies yet.
 
Nothing in the bulletin today, but the order of mass followed the new wording. I was very surprised with the music. It was very good, solemn, even scary.
 
My parish has been reading once a month these extremely low quality things about the new missal, often they have little or nothing to do with translations aside from “and with your spirit” and how the burden is on the priest, mostly.
 
**Our Parish has already began to bring the changes into the Mass that way it is less overwhelming as it was during Vatican II when the Church went from Latin to the venacular. This is actually a very good thing for our parish and actually for many others because our society does not like change so if we implement changes slowly, it makes the entire process go smoothly!

I know that there are a lot of people who are frustrated on the revised translation of the Eucharistic Liturgy, the Mass, however, as a student studying Latin, it makes sense that we are revising the translation, because it was badly translated previously.

For example in the Nicene Creed: Credo originally was translated from Latin to say “we believe” where actually Credo is first person singular, which makes the new translation of the Latin, “I believe”. 👍
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