Have atheists ever been asked...?

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What I love about sitting atop the fence is that I have a beautiful view of both sides. I might not be tall enough to see from one side to the other otherwise. As long as I can remain balanced I’m good. Blessings to all.
 
What I love about sitting atop the fence is that I have a beautiful view of both sides. I might not be tall enough to see from one side to the other otherwise. As long as I can remain balanced I’m good. Blessings to all.
You also might be considered lukewarm, or wishy-washy, and unable to make a commitment. I hope some day you will make a choice. God Bless.
 
You also might be considered lukewarm, or wishy-washy, and unable to make a commitment. I hope some day you will make a choice. God Bless.
For me personally, I am not bothered as to what others think about my agnosticism. I have chosen to be agnostic for a reason - that being I do not have enough knowledge to say “yes” or “no”, and that my personal leaning finds the idea of a God implausible rather than probable. I guess I could be described as an agnostic atheist, but I am trying to be open minded. In my opinion, my position is a commitment to understanding and knowledge of different beliefs, and deciding how I feel about them. So far I have seen no reason to change my position because I am happy with it - it describes my personal view as Catholicism decribes yours.

Lou
 
I guess I could be described as an agnostic atheist, but I am trying to be open minded. In my opinion, my position is a commitment to understanding and knowledge of different beliefs, and deciding how I feel about them. So far I have seen no reason to change my position because I am happy with it - it describes my personal view as Catholicism decribes yours.

Lou
Being happy with agnosticism suggests you are happy with not having to make a commitment to the power of Love.

Try that line on your spouse and see what excitement it generates. 😉
 
Science, by its nature is a-theistic (that is it is neutral on the existence of God). In other words, science is agnostic.
Science cannot be either atheistic or agnostic because by its very strict methodology it has denied itself the right to an opinion, which is not the same as saying no knowledge of God possible.
 
Being happy with agnosticism suggests you are happy with not having to make a commitment to the power of Love.
That only makes sense if one assumes that love comes from God (specifically your god). I can’t imagine that anybody here, no matter their religious affiliation is without love.

As far as whether agnosticism is a weak or strong position, I’ve always felt the wisest thing one can say is “I don’t know.”
 
Chritine77 Here is a quote that I love from St. Francis of Assisi: “Blessed is the servant who esteems himself no better when he is praised and exalted by people than when he is considered worthless, simple, and despicable; for what a man is before God, that he is and nothing more.” I read this daily-as it gives me a sense of peace. Having said that, I guess I’m leaning toward being described as an agnostic theist(a term I learned recently and seems to fit me, sense we need labels this one works for me).
Lou2u,I agree with much of what you posted earlier though I am more likely to believe a creator is more probable than less(just a personal opinion on what I can observe). I’m not much of a worshiper and never have been so the word god doesn’t really work for me but I don’t have a problem with others using it. I too see no reason to change my position and am getting more comfortable with the name calling as I am not without sin in that aspect of discussion.
 
Or as Sgt. Schultz said so often: “I know nothink!” 😉
Oh, Schultz definitely knew. You don’t have Hogan et al keep Burkhalter from sending Klink to the Russian front so many times without knowing something is going on.

No, I’m not talking about that head-in-the-sand kind of not knowing, but the honest assessment of the situation and saying “I don’t know” is a victory of wisdom over ego.
 
Chritine77 Here is a quote that I love from St. Francis of Assisi: “Blessed is the servant who esteems himself no better when he is praised and exalted by people than when he is considered worthless, simple, and despicable; for what a man is before God, that he is and nothing more.” I read this daily-as it gives me a sense of peace. Having said that, I guess I’m leaning toward being described as an agnostic theist(a term I learned recently and seems to fit me, sense we need labels this one works for me).
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I don’t get what you are saying. Are you a man before God as St. Francis who is humble and contrite, or a person who has no idea what the heck he believes in? You misinterpret St. Francis if you think he does not believe in God as everything in his life.
 
Though hopefully a fairly honest position, I have found Agnosticism to be less than satisfying: to wander about one’s days robbed of any certainty that any of it has any purpose (while knowing full well that one will never know what a ‘purpose’ even is) is emptying enough…having one’s children no longer look to them for life’s answers–because stating “there may not be any” not only leaves them unfulfilled, but also necessarily robs them of any confidence that working hard in the face of opposition is even useful–well that appears to be a strong sacrifice for the sake of unknowable truth…!
 
Though hopefully a fairly honest position, I have found Agnosticism to be less than satisfying: to wander about one’s days robbed of any certainty that any of it has any purpose (while knowing full well that one will never know what a ‘purpose’ even is) is emptying enough…having one’s children no longer look to them for life’s answers–because stating “there may not be any” not only leaves them unfulfilled, but also necessarily robs them of any confidence that working hard in the face of opposition is even useful–well that appears to be a strong sacrifice for the sake of unknowable truth…!
I agree. Take a stand. God is out there waiting for you with open arms.
 
Many atheists are fond of saying there is no God, or that there is no evidence to support His existence.

I wonder then how they would respond to the following question: Why is it, that human beings are the only species on earth that has religion or ponders the existence of God?

In other words, why would it be a near universal (historically) trend in the human species to believe that the Divine ( in various forms) existed?

Our closest living relatives, the great apes, do not contemplate that, nor indeed do they have consciences or moral-making abilities.

Part of me thinks… if the atheists were correct, and that Earth just formed by chance billions of years ago, than the human species likely would not think about God, or care about His existence. Why debate or be concerned with something that is fictional?

I hope my argument makes sense. I just think… that even if the biblical genesis accounts are not literally true, their essential message is true. It is abundantly clear that humanity is an organsim compeltly distinct from every other organism that exists.

In terms of behavior and functionality, the great apes (including the chimpanzee… with 98% identical DNA as homo sapien) have far more in common with all other animals than they do with human beings.

Not saying this is sufficient evidence, but isn’t it strong evidence that indeed, humans are special, and yes, created by an intelligent power greater than us? 🤷

I’m no great apologist for the faith far from it… it’s just an idea I’ve had lately…
I think you make a good point and I agree with you, so I almost hate to point out that the same day you made this post, there were articles appearing that claimed there is evidence that chimpanzees worship a god. Or God, maybe.

independent.co.uk/news/science/mysterious-chimpanzee-behaviour-could-be-sacred-rituals-and-show-that-chimps-believe-in-god-a6911301.html

I think the reasoning behind the claims is pretty specious, but if the claim were true, what would that mean? I don’t doubt that higher animals, and maybe lower ones, have some apprehension of their Creator. If it is true, as you say, that all cultures seemed to have shared a belief in God or gods. If animals, or at least the animals with a higher capacity to reason, shared that belief, it would seem to make an even stronger case for God’s existence. I think.
 
Well I’ve never been accused of being a good communicator so I understand if I’m not clear in what I’m expressing. I believe St. Francis is a man of god and from his quote I interpret that it really doesn’t matter that we are liked or disliked or understood or not understood by our fellow humans. What matters to him is how god views him. I don’t believe 100% there is a god or gods but am open to that possibility but since we probably can’t ever know for sure(in my view) why should that stop me from being as best a friend, helper, servant of man as I can? I’m unsure as to why one needs god or the fear of a devil to be a decent human being, in other words treat others humanely. I believe there is one Truth and can’t be boxed or pigeon holed as organized religion attempts to do to it. we all get to cross the finish line. If there is a god or gods, that being or beings know what is in my heart. If there isn’t then at least I’m trying to help my brothers and sisters in this life to the best of my ability simply because we should help one another. I have no doubt that I don’t have to wait to experience heaven, hell, or even purgatory as they I believe them to be states of being that we all experience each and every day right here right now, not places we need to get to. If I’m still unclear about where my perch on the fence I’m sorry for the confusion I’m causing anyone else but it makes perfect sense to me. Blessings to all.
 
I think you make a good point and I agree with you, so I almost hate to point out that the same day you made this post, there were articles appearing that claimed there is evidence that chimpanzees worship a god. Or God, maybe.

independent.co.uk/news/science/mysterious-chimpanzee-behaviour-could-be-sacred-rituals-and-show-that-chimps-believe-in-god-a6911301.html

I think the reasoning behind the claims is pretty specious, but if the claim were true, what would that mean? I don’t doubt that higher animals, and maybe lower ones, have some apprehension of their Creator. If it is true, as you say, that all cultures seemed to have shared a belief in God or gods. If animals, or at least the animals with a higher capacity to reason, shared that belief, it would seem to make an even stronger case for God’s existence. I think.
Ha ha ha! That’s some pretty crazy religious behavior if you ask me. Talk about stretching the truth! Well, thanks for a good laugh. 😃
 
No, I’m not talking about that head-in-the-sand kind of not knowing, but the honest assessment of the situation and saying “I don’t know” is a victory of wisdom over ego.
The problem is to distinguish the honest “I don’t know” from the dishonest one that doesn’t want to know. 🤷
 
Well I’ve never been accused of being a good communicator so I understand if I’m not clear in what I’m expressing. I believe St. Francis is a man of god and from his quote I interpret that it really doesn’t matter that we are liked or disliked or understood or not understood by our fellow humans. What matters to him is how god views him. I don’t believe 100% there is a god or gods but am open to that possibility but since we probably can’t ever know for sure(in my view) why should that stop me from being as best a friend, helper, servant of man as I can? I’m unsure as to why one needs god or the fear of a devil to be a decent human being, in other words treat others humanely. I believe there is one Truth and can’t be boxed or pigeon holed as organized religion attempts to do to it. we all get to cross the finish line. If there is a god or gods, that being or beings know what is in my heart. If there isn’t then at least I’m trying to help my brothers and sisters in this life to the best of my ability simply because we should help one another. I have no doubt that I don’t have to wait to experience heaven, hell, or even purgatory as they I believe them to be states of being that we all experience each and every day right here right now, not places we need to get to. If I’m still unclear about where my perch on the fence I’m sorry for the confusion I’m causing anyone else but it makes perfect sense to me. Blessings to all.
There is a name for your beliefs–indifferentism. 😉 Now, I don’t mean that pejoratively. It happens to be where you’re at in this point in your life. You don’t want to be bothered with anyone’s rules and regs. I think that’s your impression of religion, but that’s not what religion is. Rules and regs are meant to keep us on the path to Truth, not that they are truth, in and of themselves. The 10 Commandments are God’s natural law codified so no one can be in doubt as to what they are. It’s fine to be good to one’s fellow man, but that isn’t always enough. We human beings are sinners, fallen creatures who can only love as much as our fallen nature will allow us to. That might be quite a lot, even to the giving of one’s life for another, but is it truly love if it doesn’t rule the whole of our lives, in the small moments as well as in the larger ones? No, it’s not. God wishes to restore us to his love, his truth, so that we can be the people he created us to be before man disobeyed, thinking he could get all that on his own, without God. It doesn’t work that way, you know. At some point I believe you will not be able to give the kind of love you want to/should. At that point you may come to see that you cannot do this all on your own. You need God for that–for no one can fully love his brother without first loving the God who created them both.
 
Thank you Della for that response of my earlier post. I feel you’re probably right in the first bit of what you wrote. That is probably why I’m comfortable adopting the label agnostic theist (at this point in my life). Beliefs can change. I see that I’ve gone way off topic of this thread so I’ll let it go for now until a thread comes up that may be more appropriate. Thank you again and blessings.
 
Thank you Della for that response of my earlier post. I feel you’re probably right in the first bit of what you wrote. That is probably why I’m comfortable adopting the label agnostic theist (at this point in my life). Beliefs can change. I see that I’ve gone way off topic of this thread so I’ll let it go for now until a thread comes up that may be more appropriate. Thank you again and blessings.
I was never in your position theologically, but I was very anti-Catholic at one point in my life, so yes, indeed, our beliefs can change and change radically, but it’s usually a slow process. God works with each of us according to our needs. I pray you find all you need in your life. God bless and keep you and yours. 🙂
 
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