Have some been misrepresenting the indult allowing Communion in hand?

[ProVobis]

“There is nothing wrong with the host touching a person’s teeth and does not need to be swallowed whole.”

I didn’t say it was wrong; I only said it was designed that one could swallow it whole without chewing on it. To give the Body and Blood of Christ some dignity, perhaps? Chew away if you feel otherwise. No need of confession either way.

 

[palmas85]

IF there was intinction then Judas may have been the ONLY apostle to receive that way per John 13 as being handed the ‘morsal’ was a sign of who would betray him.

Nicely done as usual.skipping around the answer. Nowhere does it say in any of the Gospels exactly how the first communion was accomplished. The wording is that Christ gave it to them. It never says placed in the hands of or in the mouth of. They don’t say handed, they all say gave, which is a pretty good translation of the Greek word used. It merely says gave. Thats all. So for you to say we know that it was done in a certain way is a bit of a stretch at best.

Actually according to John there is no mention of anyone else receiving at all. Nobody. Only Judas. There is no institution narrative listed at all. So, one could also reasonably assume that since it is not explicitly mentioned that all received, then only Judas received.

Ah yes, the perils of sola scriptura and self interpretation of scripture.

But in response to what you said that Judas MAY have been the only one to receive that way, yes, it could be. It could also be that ALL received that way, and Judas received either first or last, or that no one else received as previously stated.

There is really no way to know Elish, and deep down in your heart, I really think you know that to be the case.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Nicely done as usual.skipping around the answer. Nowhere does it say in any of the Gospels exactly how the first communion was accomplished. The wording is that Christ gave it to them. It never says placed in the hands of or in the mouth of. They don’t say handed, they all say gave, which is a pretty good translation of the Greek word used. It merely says gave. Thats all. So for you to say we know that it was done in a certain way is a bit of a stretch at best.

Actually according to John there is no mention of anyone else receiving at all. Nobody. Only Judas. There is no institution narrative listed at all. So, one could also reasonably assume that since it is not explicitly mentioned that all received, then only Judas received.

Ah yes, the perils of sola scriptura and self interpretation of scripture.

But in response to what you said that Judas MAY have been the only one to receive that way, yes, it could be. It could also be that ALL received that way, and Judas received either first or last, or that no one else received as previously stated.

There is really no way to know Elish, and deep down in your heart, I really think you know that to be the case.

Geez – what a bunch of sillyness - as was your original comment re Judas.

Plus it seems YOU are leaning toward sola scriptura - not me.

There is no reason to think that night started as any other night among guys who had been together for a while - whether it was Passover or not - so there is reasonable certainty how things happened.

 

[Veritas41]

It should, but in the spirit of vat. II (disobedience) we’ll keep it here.

Very funny, very clever:thumbsup:

 

[MrS]

There is no reason to think that night started as any other night among guys who had been together for a while - whether it was Passover or not - so there is reasonable certainty how things happened.

what the heck are you implying??

 

[CradleCath]

IF there was intinction then Judas may have been the ONLY apostle to receive that way per John 13 as being handed the ‘morsal’ was a sign of who would betray him.

If there was intinction & Christ handed Judas the wet piece of bread, I’d imagine that it would have been quite messy.

 

[palmas85]

Geez – what a bunch of sillyness - as was your original comment re Judas.

Plus it seems YOU are leaning toward sola scriptura - not me.

There is no reason to think that night started as any other night among guys who had been together for a while - whether it was Passover or not - so there is reasonable certainty how things happened.

What in the world are you talking about? Reasonable certainty about what? You know, the more you post the more I am convinced that you have no stand about anything at all except to argue against anything that even remotely smells like traditionalism in any way that you can no matter how far fetched and way out the argument is.

My original coomment about Judas was if I recall correctly taken from the Gospel of John, which I personally don’t consider to be silly at all.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

My original coomment about Judas was if I recall correctly taken from the Gospel of John, which I personally don’t consider to be silly at all.

In light of its actual use in the Gospel of John and what direction the thread was going - it was a silly remark.

 

[palmas85]

In light of its actual use in the Gospel of John and what direction the thread was going - it was a silly remark.

How so? Because it seems to support the position that intinction may have been used rather than receiving in the hand?

 

[CradleCath]

Originally Posted by Eilish Maura
Geez – what a bunch of sillyness - as was your original comment re Judas.

Plus it seems YOU are leaning toward sola scriptura - not me.

**There is no reason to think that night started as any other night among guys who had been together for a while - **whether it was Passover or not - so there is reasonable certainty how things happened.

I have NO idea what you are talking about in the last paragraph of your post. I know from experience that, while you are quite fond of posting questions, you aren’t so good about ANSWERING them…However, one mustn’t lose hope. Please clarify your words above. If you cannot do this, then I’m thinking that you should not be posting here with adults.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

I have NO idea what you are talking about in the last paragraph of your post. I know from experience that, while you are quite fond of posting questions, you aren’t so good about ANSWERING them…However, one mustn’t lose hope. Please clarify your words above. If you cannot do this, then I’m thinking that you should not be posting here with adults.

Since I assumed I was dealing with adults I can’t believe I need to clarify that comment at all.

Jesus and the apostles were grown men who traveled together for several years.

They were devout Jews and over those years would have celebrated multiple feast days, high holy days and assorted other events common to their time and religion. There is no reason to think they did anything outside of the cultural norm for their time and status.

So now that I answered you - please explain what got your knickers in a knot about my comment. TIA.

 

[MrS]

Since I assumed I was dealing with adults I can’t believe I need to clarify that comment at all.

Jesus and the apostles were grown men who traveled together for several years.

They were devout Jews and over those years would have celebrated multiple feast days, high holy days and assorted other events common to their time and religion. There is no reason to think they did anything outside of the cultural norm for their time and status.

So now that I answered you - please explain what got your knickers in a knot about my comment. TIA.

Jesus’ ministry lasted but THREE years. So at most, only 3 celebrations of the Passover… so at most only 2 celebrations prior to the Last Supper… at which time the sacraments of Ordination and the Eucharist were instituted.

As for cultural norms… Jesus broke the “norms” often in His parables, in His healings, and in his acceptance of others who were normally rejected by the Jews.

(Did God die on the cross?)

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[Eilish_Maura]

Jesus’ ministry lasted but THREE years. So at most, only 3 celebrations of the Passover… so at most only 2 celebrations prior to the Last Supper… at which time the sacraments of Ordination and the Eucharist were instituted.

As for cultural norms… Jesus broke the “norms” often in His parables, in His healings, and in his acceptance of others who were normally rejected by the Jews.

(Did God die on the cross?)

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…talk about reaching…

BTW - is that small print your sig line or is this harassment?

 

[MrS]

…talk about reaching…

BTW - is that small print your sig line or is this harassment?

So are you denying anything I posted? Or do you realize that once again your postings are called into questions by other posters ?

The small print is just a gentle reminder that you either avoid or ignore questions. That question was one I have asked of you many times based on your misunderstanding of Catechesis in other threads. I am just curious as to which of three answers you might choose. Yes, no, or I don’t know. However, it appears you have the fourth answer of I don’t care. As I mentioned before, it is a tough question - one I had to work on to understand too. But it is actually quite basic… Like kneeling for communion on the tongue

 

[Eilish_Maura]

So are you denying anything I posted? Or do you realize that once again your postings are called into questions by other posters ?

The small print is just a gentle reminder that you either avoid or ignore questions. That question was one I have asked of you many times based on your misunderstanding of Catechesis in other threads. I am just curious as to which of three answers you might choose. Yes, no, or I don’t know. However, it appears you have the fourth answer of I don’t care. As I mentioned before, it is a tough question - one I had to work on to understand too. But it is actually quite basic… Like kneeling for communion on the tongue

You are aware that no one has to answer questions just because it was asked.

Thanks for the clarification - I am considering reporting it as harassment.

 

[MrS]

Again…

are you denying what I posted about the length of the ministry etc??

 

[Jean_Anthony]

This thread is closed. Thank you all.