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nicolep
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You’re saying the exact same thing I said. I wasn’t referring to anything. I posted in reply to someone else’s post about being baptized again in a protestant church. Thanks for trying to correct me though.
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theMutant
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Sorry, I edited the previous post after you started your response. Please accept my apologies.
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nicolep
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Gotcha! Sorry…I thought you were asking everyone.
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nicolep
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No worries! This is definitely not a perfect form of communication.Sorry, I edited the previous post after you started your response. Please accept my apologies.
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nicolep
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Two words…original sin. We all inherit the effects of the fall of man.
Besides, baptism initiates a person into the community of believers. Why should an infant have to wait? The usual response is that they cannot make the decision for themselves. They also can’t decide to walk into the kitchen. Does that mean they aren’t allowed to eat?
It reminds me of something one of priests working in the tribunal for my archdiocese had to say. I’m going to paraphrase here, but this is the gist of the point. He said, “When couples come to me for pre-marriage counseling, often one parent wants to wait to baptize any children because they want the kids to decide. I tell them that they can do that, but they must let the child make every other important decision in their life. They get to decide if they can walk out onto the interstate during rush hour. They get to decide if they go to grade school. They get to decide if they bathe.”
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woodyww
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In Acts 2:38-39, Peter was speaking to grown men who certainly had sins to repent of. He was not speaking to 8 day olds.
As an 8 day old I had not “actual” sin that I needed to repent of. However, as a child of Adam and Even, I carried the taint of original sin, which my baptism washed away. My baptism also gave me my first measure of grace. I was now a child of God. Most of my protestant brothers would use the word “Holy Spirit” where we Catholics say grace. Sometimes we say different words but mean similiar things.
Oh and was it a believer’s baptism at 8 days? Absolutely!! It was my parents faith and belief that brought me to the baptismal font because they knew my taint of original sin would be removed and I would be given my first dose of sacramental grace and I would be an heir and member of the family of God. My parents were acting just as our Jewish brothers and sisters were for thousands of years before them. The jewish rite of circumcision which was a prototype for baptism would inculcate the child into the family of God, the Jewish Nation.
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MMMMcounts:
Which Protestant version of born again are YOU talking about – there are something like 30,000 different protestant religions? I know about Baptists (3 types) and to them it’s running up the aisle having an emotional experience and getting baptized (in all 3 churches it was a mere symbol). Then you have your “bus ticket to heaven” you can go out and commit adultery, murder, any type of gross sin, but hey, you are already forgiven.
You need to consider coming to the Catholic Church that has the fullness of faith. Then you will truly understand what “born again” means.
Have you considered if you are wrong about holding to a Protestant (or variant of 30,000 types) belief it may be a fatal mistake for your soul?
Which Protestant version of born again are YOU talking about – there are something like 30,000 different protestant religions? I know about Baptists (3 types) and to them it’s running up the aisle having an emotional experience and getting baptized (in all 3 churches it was a mere symbol). Then you have your “bus ticket to heaven” you can go out and commit adultery, murder, any type of gross sin, but hey, you are already forgiven.
You need to consider coming to the Catholic Church that has the fullness of faith. Then you will truly understand what “born again” means.
Have you considered if you are wrong about holding to a Protestant (or variant of 30,000 types) belief it may be a fatal mistake for your soul?
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Church_Militant
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As to Mike’s question. Yep! Born again, just as Our Lord said I should be. “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
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allischalmers
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Yes When God saved me by the power of his Gospel (Romans 1;8 ) long before I was baptized.
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Church_Militant
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But I bet you’ve been baptized and it wasn’t that long afterward was it? That means that you obeyed the Gospel just like St. Paul did.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? Rise up, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, invoking his name.
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djrakowski
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An honest question (not trying to bait you or anything like that): what did this look like? I mean, what happened that made you aware of having been born again by the power of the Gospel?
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allischalmers
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I was baptized about three years after God saved me and it was to be obedent to God,s command to do so. However my sins where not washed away when I was baptized. They were washed away by the blood of Jesus Christ the moment that I was saved.
And I was not saved by walking an aisle or saying the siiner prayer.
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djrakowski
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Then what did Peter mean when he wrote this:
“because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ”
Was Peter lying when he said that baptism “now saves you?”
What took place in your life that gave you the confidence of your salvation?
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allischalmers
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I do not have time to answer your first question now,
What took place in my life that give me confidence in my salvation, it was a number of things. A search for God that ended in a deep inter peace, a growing love for Jesus Christ, A love so great for his Word that the day is not complete if I do not study if every day, and much more.
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Church_Militant
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Really? How do you reconcile that theology with the verse I cited? Seems to me that there;'s some contradiction there.
New Testament plainly says one thing. Your faith community tells you something else in their fallible interpretations of various other scriptures.
Your faith community teaches you something that contradicts the verifiable historical writings of the earliest believers who were directly discipled by the apostles themselves. How do you handle that?
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graceandglory
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Prove it.
Show me that you “know” you were “born-again” at that point. Please show me exactly in the scriptures that you know you were saved at that moment.
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tobinatorstark
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I feel the same way you do. I have been born again. August 1982, my Baptismthere you are again, triple m!
what makes you think Catholics are so stupid as to miss being born again?
The Catholic Church gave you your bible. The Catholic Church had the theology of being born again, even before the scriptures were written.
You may trust the Church that made sure that was there in the Scriptures to tell you what it means.
Baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, by water, now saves me.
Many protestants think Catholics don’t get “born again” because you all are coming up with a brand - new definition of what it means to be born again. Walking down the aisle for an altar call and declaring Jesus Lord of my life, is a 20th Century definition of being born again.
Now, triple m,
have YOU been born again.
How do you know?
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jmcrae
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Surely it’s much better to enter into the grace of God before you have anything to repent of - before the habits of sin have taken hold of the body, to hinder the soul on its journey to perfection in God’s grace.
But if you were not baptized as an infant, then you should certainly repent of your sins and be baptized as soon as humanly possible, after a sufficient period of instruction and preparation so as to live a life worthy of Christ.
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