Have you ever gotten in trouble at your parish for doing what's right?

[iamrefreshed]

Frankly when it comes to the Blessed Sacrament, I would have gladly taken you up on your threat.

Maybe you need to see Jesus in your fellow man, not just in the Eucharist.

 

[Walking_Home]

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Have you heard of righteous anger—or in current thought that no longer exists. As to the freaking — does not really reflect the OP’s actions.

Leaving a tabernacle open for a while before Mass may be “abuse” to some, but there are bigger issues to draw our swords over, especially if we’re going to be unholy jerks about it.

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If to us creatures it becomes of minor importance to safeguard our Lord and our God—we are sure on the way to loosing ourselves – so eventually we will not even care about any type of issue.

 

[iamrefreshed]

No, it’s not OK to leave the tabernacle open (unless it’s empty of the Blessed Sacrament.) No it’s not OK to leave the key in the tabernacle.

Again, just because others do it does not make it OK.

No, it’s not OK to verbally abuse someone to make a point.

No it’s not OK to verbally abuse someone to stroke our ego.

Just because others do it does not make it right.

 

[jrabs]

How did Christ teach people not to sell doves in the Temple compound? Was there Christianity in that?

Because Christ is Christianity, then yes. Though I know that Christ did not boast of His actions.

 

[Walking_Home]

Maybe you need to see Jesus in your fellow man, not just in the Eucharist.

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That in the wrongs hands can lead us to step on the First Commandment. Raising the creature on par with God —can blur the distinction between the creator and the creature—to where it would be difficult to make the right choice of one over the other.

 

[iamrefreshed]

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Have you heard of righteous anger—or in current thought that no longer exists. As to the freaking — does not really reflect the OP’s actions.

Would that righteous anger have allowed me to drag the OP to the parking lot and throttle him for verbally abusing my wife?

 

[iamrefreshed]

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That in the wrongs hands can lead us to step on the First Commandment. Raising the creature on par with God —can blur the distinction between the creator and the creature—to where it would be difficult to make the right choice of one over the other.

Tell that to Mother Theresa, she saw Jesus in the untouchables.

 

[Walking_Home]

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Originally Posted by Walking_Home View Post
Have you heard of righteous anger—or in current thought that no longer exists. As to the freaking — does not really reflect the OP’s actions.

Would that righteous anger have allowed me to drag the OP to the parking lot and throttle him for verbally abusing my wife?

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Seems to me —you would have been arrested for assault. Does not seem likely the authorities would take OP’s comments as verbal abuse.

 

[iamrefreshed]

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Seems to me —you would have been arrested for assault. Does not seem likely the authorities would take OP’s comments as verbal abuse.

Much like to OP didn’t care about the results of his tirade, I wouldn’t care much about the results of mine either.

 

[Orionthehunter]

From Heckesh: Have you ever gotten in trouble at your parish for doing what’s right? I have, more than once.

AFter reading your original post and your relentless defense of your action, it is obvious that you wear this like a badge of honor. Just remember that Christ didn’t always praise the righteous if it didn’t include a heart of charity.

From Heckesh: Would I change a thing? Nope. To this day it has never repeated.

While you are quick to jump to rash judgment (the EMHC may have been doing what she was instructed), you assumed that it was intentional disrespect.

Furthermore, a Catholic gentlemen should never speak to another like this especially in the sacristy. And, I am surprised that her husband didn’t admonish you. The mother of my children deserves to be treated with dignity and charity unless my wife has acted willfully and openly with ill intentions that are obvious. You had no idea what her intentions or knowledge/training were.

From Cat: A soft answer turns away wrath. Violence in voice tone and actions (e.g., slamming things) is never justified.

Well, hindsight is always 20-20. Atleast something was done about that matter.

But it appears that the OP is not open to any form of comment with regard to a better way.

My mother taught me that every action has a time, place, and manner. If any of them are done incorrectly, it destroys the merits of the entire act.

In addition to your manner, you had no authority. I remember once as an altar boy when a lady gave me a “correction”. I took it as my mistake and did as she said. After Mass, Father asked me why I did as I did and I told him. He said essentially, I work for him and if I get another such instruction, tell them to take it up with him. If you had done such a thing to me, I’d have told you to take it up with Father and ignored you until I got different instruction. Because of your tone, I might have shamefully responded with as much charity as you showed.

I agree except I think this is a matter for you to discuss with Father. This might be problem with more than just one EMHC. By bringing up the issue w/ one in proper authority, a universal correction could be accomplished.

From Heckesh: I am almost certain her actions would be the common practice today had I not shook things up. The very sort of practice that is terribly difficult to eradicate.

Well, since you didn’t try another tact, you don’t really know.

From Heckesh: In retrospect, I’m glad I did what I did.

More evidence of lack of charity.

From Heckesh: True. I would guess that most here who find problems with my response are likely the sort who lack the resolve to confront people who are deliberately treating the Blessed Sacrament in a bad way.

Notice the focus on PC manners and not on protecting the Blessed Sacrament.

This is so much ****. Don’t presume to assume that my response is anything of the sort. And, since I’ve observed many of the people who have suggested a different tact are equally diligent about Catholic Teaching, Dogma, Doctrine and practices, you are showing further rash judgment, which is an Offense against the Truth and grave matter.

From the Catechism:

2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury. He becomes guilty of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;

While it was possibly heat of the moment, righteous anger, coming to CAF to boast about it certainly is inappropriate, if not sinful.

I agree. Whenever I accomplish something in anger, no matter the merits of the accomplishment, I recognize that it was not done in a manner which is proper.

Aha! Now the gender angle! Bravo! I wasn’t expecting that.

This thread has proven to be educational to me. I’m amused by the number of people condemning my action while judging me (a rather odd combination.)

What this thread has done in the positive is to shine a bit of light on yet another reason the Church is in the shape she is in today in the USA.

Please. We are not judging you but we are judging your self-admitted manner of what you did and your continual refusal to self-examine whether it was proper. Even if I have confidence that I what I did was proper, I would be grateful that people gave me something to think about so I might do it better next time.

More importantly, for you to take our comments regarding your manner (I don’t recall anyone saying that it should be left open) as evidence for your global view that the Church is in terrible shape is disingenous. We did not rush to the defense of the EMHC but only to her rude treatment.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

This thread is closed. Thank you all.