Have you Ever Walked-Out of Mass

[rayne89]

Mysty101:

Just look at this statement

She is so worried where the “orans” position could lead but says

Where has attending a non-catholic service led? She understands someone leaving Mass to attend one.

Mysty I think you may have misunderstood here. What she said was "*If someone leaves a church like this and goes to a more pious service, it’s sad but understandable. If they find a more pious Holy Mass, they are truly Blessed. *Protestant’s do not have Holy Mass - the have Services. I believe she meant a Catholic leaving their parish to go to another Catholic parish. I could see where there could be misunderstanding since she had just mentioned the protestant service as being more pious.

 

[Mysty101]

rayne89:

Mysty I think you may have misunderstood here. What she said was "If someone leaves a church like this and goes to a more pious service, it’s sad but understandable. If they find a more pious Holy Mass, they are truly Blessed. Protestant’s do not have Holy Mass - the have Services. I believe she meant a Catholic leaving their parish to go to another Catholic parish. I could see where there could be misunderstanding since she had just mentioned the protestant service as being more pious.

True, but she did say
*
If someone leaves a church like this and goes to a more pious service, it’s sad but understandable

Considering the previous statement
*

When I saw that their service was actually much more pious (IMO) than the “mass” I was attending on Sunday at my own parish overrun by Charismatics, it truly openned my eyes.

it could easily be read that this is two separate staatements. Why would it be sad if someone left one Mass for another? This is a legitimate option.
and then
*
If they find a more pious Holy Mass, they are truly Blessed.
*

 

[Wolseley]

I have only walked out of a Mass twice.

Once was in a Paulist parish, where the priest sat down after reading the Gospel, and a woman (the parish secretary) got up to give the homily. I stood up and walked out, and there were a lot of eyes on me, but nobody said anything. I haven’t been back to a Mass there since.

The second time was in a Polish parish on the Feast of St. Stanislaus of Krakow, and they had a “polka Mass”, complete with accordians and cutesy little song books. The Communion “hymn” carried the lyric “In heaven there is no fear”, with the same rhythm and tempo as—you guessed it—Frankie Yankovic’s “In Heaven There Is No Beer”. I walked out on that one, too, and haven’t been back since.

 

[PJR]

Are you referring to the post that rather blatantly made the correlation between a persons level of piety and whether or not they held thier hands in a certain posture? I didn’t find the tone in that to be charitable at all. I don’t even have a dog in that fight, and I found the sarcasm behind words like pitiful, football catch and scooping when describing a prayer posture to be not only rude but self-righteous.

I don’t think describing ourselves as being more pious than someone else based solely on our preferrred posture is in any way charitable. The word “mass” in quotation marks even tells me that the implication was any “charismatic” elements in the Liturgy are so vile that it’s not really a mass and preferrable to escape even to a Lutheran service if need be. It also pretty clearly opines that anyone engaged in any worship she feels is charismatic-whatever that is-is less pious. I don’t think Mysty101 ever made a claim to superior piety in her preferences and was justly reacting to having hers questioned.

I have also never felt she was trying to say everyone should be just like her if they want to get it right.
surf(name removed by moderator)ure:

I would ask that you please consider taking a more charitable tone. You may not realize it, but this sounds quite combative.

Thank you,

Mary

 

[Mysty101]

Agreed, and thank you for confirming my point, if I was not clear.

this is a pretty definite statement

When I saw that their service was actually much more pious (IMO) than the “mass” I was attending on Sunday at my own parish overrun by Charismatics, it truly openned my eyes.

Praise is the most neglected form of prayer, but the most beneficial to man. Enthusiastic worship can be very Catholic. But I certainly have said many times it is an OPTION, and not how everyone will choose to worship. I also said I choose Catholic Charismatic services and do not attend non-Catholic services, unless it is an ecumenical service with authentic Catholic leadership present.

There are extremes in every group, but I have not seen any inauthentic Charismatic views on this board, just accusations and examples of non-Catholic or inauthentic Catholic worship. I have not seen Charismatics ridicule traditionals, but many traditionals do ridicule Charismatics.

 

[Mysty101]

Wolseley:

The Communion “hymn” carried the lyric “In heaven there is no fear”, with the same rhythm and tempo as—you guessed it—Frankie Yankovic’s “In Heaven There Is No Beer”. I walked out on that one, too, and haven’t been back since.

And which is the take-off on which? Which do you think came first?

Remember this is a Mass for a Polish community, and this is part of their culture. Also one option for the Communion song is not very specific.

Even if this song was questionable, the Communion song would not invalidate the Consecration.

 

[tesshinkle]

it’s nausiating to hear some of the abuses going on at Mass-i truly believe that we are in the days where God is thinning His ranks. the truly faithful Catholics will make it because He promised to never leave His Church. those who want all this ecumenical garbage, communion in the hand, alter girls, female “priests”, eucharistic ministers etc…won’t make it-FAITHFUL CATHOLICS HANG IN THERE!! He is on our side!!!

 

[Scout]

tesshinkle:

it’s nausiating to hear some of the abuses going on at Mass-i truly believe that we are in the days where God is thinning His ranks. the truly faithful Catholics will make it because He promised to never leave His Church. those who want all this ecumenical garbage, communion in the hand, alter girls, female “priests”, eucharistic ministers etc…won’t make it-FAITHFUL CATHOLICS HANG IN THERE!! He is on our side!!!

I strongly resent this statement. I receive communion in the hand, have no trouble with female alter servers or extraordinary ministers, and no one but Christ Himself is going to tell me I’m not going to “make it”. I would prefer your save your judgements for yourself.

Scout :tiphat:

 

[Mysty101]

tesshinkle:

it’s nausiating to hear some of the abuses going on at Mass-i truly believe that we are in the days where God is thinning His ranks. the truly faithful Catholics will make it because He promised to never leave His Church. those who want all this ecumenical garbage, communion in the hand, alter girls, female “priests”, eucharistic ministers etc…won’t make it-FAITHFUL CATHOLICS HANG IN THERE!! He is on our side!!!

He is on the side of ALL faithful Catholics, especially the loving. Sorry that you cannot accept approved changes.

 

[netmilsmom]

netmil(name removed by moderator)
Senior Member
Join Date: June 8, 2004
Location: SS C&M
Posts: 558

                                                                                                                 **Re: Have you Ever Walked-Out of Mass**             
                                                              Quote:
                                            Originally Posted by **GregoryPalamas**
             *Friends,

I’ve never experienced the abuses you have shared. Nevertheless, one might be more sympathetic to people who leave these kinds of Churches for a TLM, Orthodoxy, or even for Protestantism. How are these abuses any better than a Protestant Church? I would say a TLM or Orhodoxy is as much a true Church as any but even a Protestant Church can’t be any worse than these abusive Churches, I should think.

Dan L*

Amen my Friend!
I put my youngest daughter into a Lutheran Preschool because it was the best around. I was required to attend one service per week because of it.
When I saw that their service was actually much more pious (IMO) than the “mass” I was attending on Sunday at my own parish overrun by Charismatics, it truly openned my eyes.

Pitifully, the changes happen slowly so no one notices until they are full blown.
It took five years to go from the “Football Catch” orans position, to holding hands and lifting them to heaven for the Our Father at that parish. People were uncomfortable with it, but had no clue why. They were just beginning the “scooping”, when I escaped.

If someone leaves a church like this and goes to a more pious service, it’s sad but understandable. If they find a more pious Holy Mass, they are truly Blessed.

 If all of you would be so kind as to look at this post you will see that not a single CatholicAnswers Forum poster is mentioned here.
 None of you were at my last parish, nor did you see any of the abuses going on there.
 To any of you personalizing my post, you are mistaken.

 

[netmilsmom]

netmil(name removed by moderator)
Senior Member
Join Date: June 8, 2004
Location: SS C&M
Posts: 558

                                                                                                                 **Re: Have you Ever Walked-Out of Mass**             
                                                              Quote:
                                            Originally Posted by **GregoryPalamas**
             *Friends,

I’ve never experienced the abuses you have shared. Nevertheless, one might be more sympathetic to people who leave these kinds of Churches for a TLM, Orthodoxy, or even for Protestantism. How are these abuses any better than a Protestant Church? I would say a TLM or Orhodoxy is as much a true Church as any but even a Protestant Church can’t be any worse than these abusive Churches, I should think.

Dan L*

Amen my Friend!
I put my youngest daughter into a Lutheran Preschool because it was the best around. I was required to attend one service per week because of it.
When I saw that their service was actually much more pious (IMO) than the “mass” I was attending on Sunday at my own parish overrun by Charismatics, it truly openned my eyes.

Pitifully, the changes happen slowly so no one notices until they are full blown.
It took five years to go from the “Football Catch” orans position, to holding hands and lifting them to heaven for the Our Father at that parish. People were uncomfortable with it, but had no clue why. They were just beginning the “scooping”, when I escaped.

If someone leaves a church like this and goes to a more pious service, it’s sad but understandable. If they find a more pious Holy Mass, they are truly Blessed.

 If all of you would be so kind as to look at this post you will see that not a single CatholicAnswers Forum poster is mentioned here.
 None of you were at my last parish, nor did you see any of the abuses going on there.
 To any of you personalizing my post, you are mistaken.

 

[Mysty101]

If someone leaves a church like this and goes to a more pious service, it’s sad but understandable. If they find a more pious Holy Mass, they are truly Blessed.

 

[netmilsmom]

Mysty101:
My Goodness, isn’t it sad if someone leaves a Catholic Church to find a more pious service?
I know of three families who left the masses filled with abuses in our area to go to that Lutheran church. They have a service, not a mass.

I find it VERY sad.

 

[Mysty101]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

My Goodness, isn’t it sad if someone leaves a Catholic Church to find a more pious service?
I know of three families who left the masses filled with abuses in our area to go to that Lutheran church. They have a service, not a mass.

I find it VERY sad.

You did say that you found it understandable.

 

[Mysty101]

PS and you also said.

When I saw that their service was actually much more pious (IMO) than the “mass” I was attending on Sunday at my own parish overrun by Charismatics, it truly openned my eyes.

 

[netmilsmom]

Mysty101:

PS.

I’m truly sorry that you personalize what I write.

I am sad that the people who left the parish I was at went to a Lutheran service that they found to be more like the Masses they attended as young people. I do understand it. People go where they are comfortable. Two of these families are good friends. I pray to St. Monica for them to return. I beg them to come to our parish. One is seeing the light.

You were not and are not at the parish I was at. You have no clue what the abuses were there.

The staff members there were self proclaimed Charismatics who told me and many other parishioners that they did not care to teach Catechism, but wanted the people to have a good experience. They taught about Martin Luthers connection to the Christmas tree instead of Advent before Christmas for example. They are having problems getting children into the program because of it.

As more and more people left, some of the old time parishioners tried to get a more traditional liturgy to be okayed by the staff. Their minds were closed. They tried to get new parishioners by looking to the Lutheran church. They would not even think of looking to my parish now. When two of us on the Education Committee tried to suggest it, we were told by the DRE that she didn’t understand people like us.

When I write, I write from my own experience.
You were not there. It is a mistake to think I am writing about you.

 

[msproule]

This thread was interesting until about three days ago. Now it has been hijacked into an argument over semantics.

I suggest we return to the original format.

Michael
Super Moderator Wannabe

 

[netmilsmom]

msproule:

This thread was interesting until about three days ago. Now it has been hijacked into an argument over semantics.

I suggest we return to the original format.

Michael
Super Moderator Wannabe

I’m sorry friend, you are right.
I should have not gotten into it. People understood what I was saying.

I’m off now, please return to your regularly scheduled thread:tiphat:

 

[pnewton]

msproule:

This thread was interesting until about three days ago. Now it has been hijacked into an argument over semantics.

That depends. What do you mean by “hijacked?”

 

[Mysty101]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

I’m truly sorry that you personalize what I write.

When I write, I write from my own experience.
You were not there. It is a mistake to think I am writing about you.

Where did you get the idea that I thought you were writing about me?

I put my youngest daughter into a Lutheran Preschool because it was the best around. I was required to attend one service per week because of it.
When I saw that their service was actually much more pious (IMO) than the “mass” I was attending on Sunday at my own parish overrun by Charismatics, it truly openned my eyes.

You said that you understood people leaving a valid Catholic Mass for a Luthern service. That is like saying you understood people commmitting any other sin—would you understand adultery? stealing?

You are right I do not know what went on, but I do know it is wrong (and certainly not understandable) to attend a non-Catholic service rather than a Catholic Mass.