I never hear that term before - “Deformers.” Is that some sort of pun on the Reformation, or have a missed a whole chapter somewhere? I learn something new every day, so maybe this is one of those days or something, I don’t know.
Some of us let the Devil get the better of us from time to time (i place myself in this group, as I have used the term) and somewhat uncharitably refer to the Reformation as the Deformation
Sorry Jim. You said we needed a new thread if we were going to discuss reasons for reform. So I didn’t see a need to answer. And I didn’t think you needed me to spell out the reasons why many Christians believe reform was/is needed. I knew you were already familiar with reasons Southern Baptists believe reform was needed. And the reasons many others believe reform was/is needed have been well documented down thru the centuries to the present.
I tend to agree with this. I find it hard to believe everyone else within the different Christian Based Faiths are wrong and only we as Catholics are correct.
Much obliged for your reply. A couple of points: obviously, you do not believe in objective, absolute truth. I do. Christianity is not a guessing game with multiple choice answers, as Protestantism offers. Christ and the Apostles died for it. So have untold millions more throughout the centuries. Either Christ appointed Peter to lead his Church or he didn’t. Either the Eucharist is the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, of Christ or it isn’t. I can’t have faith in “maybe.” “I believe because it might be true” doesn’t cut it. “I believe this and you believe that and we’re both right – we can’t be sure and it doesn’t matter. All religions are true: this is my truth and that’s yours.” This, by definition, is relativism.
Papa Benedict lamented that relativism is rampant. And he is right. Jesus didn’t tell us the truth when he came to earth the first time, but he’ll tell us later? Hmmm.
It isn’t that other Christian faiths are 100% wrong, it is just that they are not 100% right
Oh - ok. I thought so, but sometimes I’m surprised at what I don’t know so I was just making sure. Thanks.
I’ve always preferred the “Formation”
That is much too a positive term.I’ve always preferred the “Formation”
Excuse me. Please don’t tell me what you think I obviously don’t
No. I believe Christ died for our sins and was not condemned to hell. But resurrected in bodily form and is seated at the righthand of the Father in heaven.
It’s not relativism when one believes in Jesus as the truth. And believes He made our burden light as He said he did. And believeth in Him for everlasting life. And not judging but instead understanding the difference between actually knowing with 100% absolute certainty all things about God with our finite human minds vs what truly is faith and belief. That’s why we call it faith.You shouldn’t be surprised. You’re human with a finite mind like the rest of us. I wish more of us were surprised at what we don’t know.
It does not matter when the word “Catholic” was first used. The theology of the early Church was Catholic, ant the Protestant reformation was a radical departure from this theology. Protestants so have varying degrees of Turth in their teaching, but the fullness of Truth is in the Catholic Church alone.Excuse me. Please don’t tell me what you think I obviously don’t
believe.
Jn 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth
Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
If you don’t know why Protestantism came about, there’s a wealth of info out there FYI.
To hell with Christ’s body and blood?
Jesus did say He was Truth and would come again.
Jesus founded His Church. He didn’t say Catholic Church. That wasn’t first found written until over 70 yrs after He founded His Church.
Christians are united in Him. That’s the definition of a Christian. A follower of Christ. Whom called Himself Truth. Professing Him Lord and Savior. Believng He died for our sins on the cross. Whom is far greater than any differences we might have. Whom can break down any walls.
And maybe our prayers would have a better chance of being answered more fully before He comes again if some of us didn’t expect everyone to come only to the way we believe every “i” should be dotted and every “t” crossed. That’s not seeking unity. That’s confusing the finite human mind absolutely knowing every single thing about God with faith and belief.
God bless you on your walk of faith and peace.
I’m sorry, I’ll just respectfully disagree with this.
I assume you reject the doctrine of infallibility. I must ask, if there is no difference, why are you Catholic, with all of our rules (which may or may not be just made up by your reasoning)? Why not join a faith which is more progressive? If there there is no infallibility, and the Catholic Church does not possess the Fullness of Truth, why stay?
Well I don’t assume the degree of faithfulness the poster has. But for starters maybe because the Church says :bigyikes: he/she is. I’m certain you follow that teaching too though CW. Or maybe “Dont know” because he/she truly doesn’t know, remains so as not to fall under the judgment of “could not be saved”. (CCC 846)
*Jesus founded His Church - Mat. 16 and said that the gates of Hades would not prevail against it and that he would send us the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth.
