I understand completely. I have all those, too. The Imitation of Christ is one of my favorite books (but I’m Catholic, so that stands to reason). I admire anyone who likes to get their info from the primary sources!
Surely you’re not referring to things like Shiz, who ‘raised up on his hands…struggled for breath’ (Ether 15:29-31) are you?
Unfortunately, people who never existed have nothing at all to teach us.
It’s nice to know that moral relativism is alive and well. Do you keep a copy of Mein Kampf on your nightstand, too? And the Satanic Bible, as well? Both have unique insights into the human condition so you could easily take something positive from them.
Nor should you, but the problem isn’t with the book itself, but rather with how the LDS church presents it: as factual and of God Almighty, neither of which is true.
No, although that is silly. I mean elephants, camels, horses, wheat, barley, linen, silk, glass, steel and wheeled chariots, which appear in the BOM but never existed on the American continent between 589 BC and 321 AD. This is scientific fact. The LDS have no credible defense for the obvious anachronisms in the BoM. They try all kinds of silly mental gymnastics and excuses:
I’ve checked I am not a member of the LDS Church and have read it or am reading it. Well actually I planned to read it cover to cover, but only read a few passages and put it down and never return to it.
I apologize; I was being sarcastic there. I knew what you meant. I have to say, however, that I agree with Mormon apologists in that the lack of evidence for something isn’t evidence that it doesn’t exist. That’s the reason I use it as one piece of the refutation of Mormonism: combine the fact that the church seems to have mispaced three entire civilizations with the plagiarism of the KJV in both the BOM and POGP, the false prophecies of Joseph Smith, the constant revisions of the BOM and LDS texts, and the lies the church has told about both its history and itself and you really have a strong case.No, although that is silly. I mean elephants, camels, horses, wheat, barley, linen, silk, glass, steel and wheeled chariots, which appear in the BOM but never existed on the American continent between 589 BC and 321 AD. This is scientific fact. The LDS have no credible defense for the obvious anachronisms in the BoM. They try all kinds of silly mental gymnastics and excuses:
The horses were really tapirs (which are more like pigs than horses).
The steel swords were really wooden clubs with obsidian embedded in them.
The camels were llamas.
The linen and silk were really cotton.
etc., etc., etc. - as if their god giving the translation to Joseph Smith did not know the proper English words for these things…
And there is absolutely no archaeological trace of any Hebrew- or Egyptian speaking people in the Americas. There is no trace of any battles where 1,130,000 soldiers died near the hill called Cumorah, which Mormon prophets have identified as the hill in New York where Joseph Smith claimed to find the golden plates. There is no trace of the hundreds of thousands of swords, chariots, metal helmets and breastplates. And the Amerindians have been proven through DNA to be descended from Siberian/Mongolian asiatics, not from Hebrews.
etc., etc., etc…
And the plant food staples that Amerindians really have eaten for millenia (beans, squash and amaranth) are not mentioned at all in the BoM.
That’s what I meant.
As a matter of fact…I do own a copy of “Mein Kauf” and the “Satanic Bible” by Anton LaVey…and yes…they do teach me deep thing of the Spirit in regard to humanity…the Light dwelled even in Adoph Hitler…but the Light was dimmed almost to extinction by his hate and bigotry and his blindness to the worth of persons.
“Some” - like the writers of most dictionaries.
Oh please! Some Indians told Thomas Jefferson that there were elephants in the great lakes? Is that the best you can do? And btw, no non-LDS believes anything from the Maxwell Institute (formerly known as FARMS).
choose to quote what you feel is the weakest part of the web link and deny the others?
Wouldn’t JS and the Witnesses know how the miraculous event was recorded?
In complete agreement with you! We agree that Divine Revelation ended with the Death of the Apostles thus the need for a restoration of Divine Revelation and his Holy Priesthood
Mature, very Mature
read 3rd Nephi chapters 8 through 12. What happened to most of the great cities? perhaps this gives some explanation to why historical items are not as great as what you find in Egypt, Jerusalem etc…